Asylum seekers unhappy at Stratford- upon- Avon Hotel

Can somebody explain the rationale behind the idea that we should accept fewer migrants than other countries. Are we special somehow?

If the asylum seekers were genuine and fleeing danger surely they would be grateful for any roof over their head. How they have the nerve to complain is a mystery to me.

I agree with time2go, AlanaV and Oreo.

We are much smaller than countries like Germany, France and Spain for example.

As well as taking in people from all over the world we give billions in foreign aid too.

Primrose53

We are much smaller than countries like Germany, France and Spain for example.

As well as taking in people from all over the world we give billions in foreign aid too.

Let's be honest. We're just a nation of small minded, self centred, coldhearted racists, aren't we?

I’m sure some people are complaining, we all do it.
I think the reason could be is because they believe all the gumf
written about getting a house, free medical / dental care/ schooling/ jobs for all.
And then reality kicks in.

According to reports out today, the government are giving police new powers to move on (and hassle), our homeless/rough sleepers, under this latest new anti-social behaviour crackdown.

If anyone is unhappy in a hotel, perhaps they could just swap with someone that's stuck in a shop doorway. I'm sure some of them would welcome being in a hotel.🙄

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/26/rishi-sunak-get-tough-anti-social-behaviour/

Primrose53

We are much smaller than countries like Germany, France and Spain for example.

As well as taking in people from all over the world we give billions in foreign aid too.

Just looking at Germany...

number of refugees per head of population - 0.01
number of refugees per square km - 3.57

UK

number of refugees per head of population - 0.003
number of refugees per square km - 0.95

Foreign aid isn't the same as humanitarian assistance, but in any case, Germany gives €12bn a year and the UK gives £11bn

So, comparable foreign aid and whichever metric you use, Germany takes more refugees than us by any measure, even the irrelevant ones.

Instead of just believing what they tell you, why don't you actually look at the reality. If you just don't want the foreigners here, just say so, instead of trying to justify your ideas with made up stats.

I'll do Spain and France later if I can be bothered.

yes, Primrose, we give foreign aid. So do other countries.

MaizieD

Primrose53

We are much smaller than countries like Germany, France and Spain for example.

As well as taking in people from all over the world we give billions in foreign aid too.

Let's be honest. We're just a nation of small minded, self centred, coldhearted racists, aren't we?

This^^

There's more of them than I thought there were MaizieD.

The UK welcomes genuine refugees Ukraine proves that, what we dont want is economic migrant arriving illegally, especially if they are connected to criminal gangs.

Those gransnetters who support all migrants should offer accommodation to a few poor abused Albanians who are going arrive at Dover today.

DiamondLily

According to reports out today, the government are giving police new powers to move on (and hassle), our homeless/rough sleepers, under this latest new anti-social behaviour crackdown.

If anyone is unhappy in a hotel, perhaps they could just swap with someone that's stuck in a shop doorway. I'm sure some of them would welcome being in a hotel.🙄

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/26/rishi-sunak-get-tough-anti-social-behaviour/

So all these homeless people that we could be spending money on and putting up in hotels - the government has decided to hassle them have they? Give them a hard time?

When will people see that the reason we have homeless people on the street and lack of services isn't that the money's being spent on asylum seekers, its that the government doesn't want to help them?

Agreed Katie59

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

We give much less foreign aid than we did (the Tory government cut it back), and I was shocked to hear that the cost of accommodating refugees comes out of the reduced amount we used to give, all because the government cannot (or will not) get its act together and assess asylum seekers.

And as for the issue of not caring about people who are homeless here, just about everyone I know cares about them too!

We have a brilliant team of volunteers cooking for and helping homeless people, so that they all get at least one proper meal a day ( I cook once a week); at the same time we have a group helping refugees with a charity shop.

There is so much integration between these two groups and many of us volunteer for both. For instance, the shop is a collecting point for warm clothes etc. for the camps in Calais. We get large sizes which are not suitable for refugees, and pass them on to the other group to help keep people warm and dry here too. The shop is also a collecting point for food just like the supermarkets have.

We all care EQUALLY for people in need, wherever they are for a very simple reason. We and they are ALL PEOPLE!

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I expect there's quite a lot you don't care about Forsythia.

volver3

DiamondLily

According to reports out today, the government are giving police new powers to move on (and hassle), our homeless/rough sleepers, under this latest new anti-social behaviour crackdown.

If anyone is unhappy in a hotel, perhaps they could just swap with someone that's stuck in a shop doorway. I'm sure some of them would welcome being in a hotel.🙄

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/26/rishi-sunak-get-tough-anti-social-behaviour/

So all these homeless people that we could be spending money on and putting up in hotels - the government has decided to hassle them have they? Give them a hard time?

When will people see that the reason we have homeless people on the street and lack of services isn't that the money's being spent on asylum seekers, its that the government doesn't want to help them?

I seriously cannot see the morality with hassling the genuine homeless - what in earth is the point of moving them from doorway to doorway, and threaten to prosecute them? 🤔

We have a chronic affordable housing problem in this country, especially in places like London, and the whole thing is becoming untenable.

I don't know what the answer is - but I do feel sorry for those who are genuinely homeless.

Perhaps this useless government could think of ways to help them - and not just hassle them, making their life harder. 🙄

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

To be fair, private hoteliers are also raking it in from the government. They are making much more money than they did before, because the government are paying an inflated rate:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234

volver3

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I expect there's quite a lot you don't care about Forsythia.

I don’t care about you and that’s a fact. I know I’m not alone in that either.

DiamondLily

volver3

DiamondLily

According to reports out today, the government are giving police new powers to move on (and hassle), our homeless/rough sleepers, under this latest new anti-social behaviour crackdown.

If anyone is unhappy in a hotel, perhaps they could just swap with someone that's stuck in a shop doorway. I'm sure some of them would welcome being in a hotel.🙄

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/26/rishi-sunak-get-tough-anti-social-behaviour/

So all these homeless people that we could be spending money on and putting up in hotels - the government has decided to hassle them have they? Give them a hard time?

When will people see that the reason we have homeless people on the street and lack of services isn't that the money's being spent on asylum seekers, its that the government doesn't want to help them?

I seriously cannot see the morality with hassling the genuine homeless - what in earth is the point of moving them from doorway to doorway, and threaten to prosecute them? 🤔

We have a chronic affordable housing problem in this country, especially in places like London, and the whole thing is becoming untenable.

I don't know what the answer is - but I do feel sorry for those who are genuinely homeless.

Perhaps this useless government could think of ways to help them - and not just hassle them, making their life harder. 🙄

Wouldn't you think that stopping the sale of council housing and starting a programme of building more, would be logical, since we have a huge affordable housing problem? Also putting in a system that limits private rents (rent control) and makes claiming housing costs easier for the poor.

But the Tories have no intention of helping refugees, the homeless or the poor. Instead, they're giving tax cuts to the wealthy and throwing money (billions upon billions) at friends and family.

Forsythia

volver3

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I expect there's quite a lot you don't care about Forsythia.

I don’t care about you and that’s a fact. I know I’m not alone in that either.

Oh, my heart is broken.

Not. 😉

volver3

Forsythia

volver3

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I expect there's quite a lot you don't care about Forsythia.

I don’t care about you and that’s a fact. I know I’m not alone in that either.

Oh, my heart is broken.

Not. 😉

Likewise.

The Tories have been taking lessons from the latest BBC historical drama and decided that prison ships are the way to go except they are calling them “ferries” - I suppose it sounds as if the poor b……rs are going somewhere.

Whitewavemark2

The Tories have been taking lessons from the latest BBC historical drama and decided that prison ships are the way to go except they are calling them “ferries” - I suppose it sounds as if the poor b……rs are going somewhere.

They've done this before, to 'solve' a prison overcrowding problem. Mr M worked for a logistics and shipping company in the '90s that provided and managed the 'ferries'. (He had nothing at all to do with that sector, I hasten to add). I think it was a shortlived experiment...

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I thought about trying to write a reasoned response to this, but is it even worth it?

Solutions to the current problems have been proposed time and time again by people who can see past the Daily Mail rhetoric that's designed to stir up hatred. But the haters just glaze over them, or don't even bother to read them and continue to rant from the Daily Mail script.

I can only pray that they are a minority in the UK...

Whenever anyone uses a phrase like "so called charities" they've immediately lost the argument.

I don't support unfettered immigration to this country and I'm not angered by the woman who wants her child to have a normal life. You'd have to be a very odd person to be angry about that.