Non spiky Politics

I personally, will be using Gransnet Cafe for Politics from now on.

Anything anyone wants to discuss here?

Russian pneumonic plague?
Anything else?

How do people who dont normally vote Labour think Andy Burnham is doing generally?
Personally, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Waiting to see how he does in a crisis. Such as Iran, Russia, health stuff, Country financial problems, etc.

Might be best to start a new thread of non spiky Politics? Not sure.

MaizieD

fancythat it is quite sad that you want to completely ignore a well researched and evidenced report. Not even look at it.

Pricklebush. 🤷‍♀️

David49

The New Towns were built without all the beaurocracy and regulation we have today, the whole area was compulsory purchased and were built. Now it takes 10 yrs to get through the endless appeals and regulation before building starts.

Perhaps there are appeals because lay people realise the lack of forethought and planning for the future which happens whenever new housing developments are proposed.

Planners do not seem to think through the consequences of what will happen if more and more housing is built to satisfy the demand but these developments are often far from where people work, no new roads, schools, shops, hospitals are built and areas end up gridlocked as people try to reach essential services.

10 years. Agreed. So expensive to build nowadays. So much cost added to the expense.

The New Towns were built without all the beaurocracy and regulation we have today, the whole area was compulsory purchased and were built. Now it takes 10 yrs to get through the endless appeals and regulation before building starts.

fancythat it is quite sad that you want to completely ignore a well researched and evidenced report. Not even look at it.

fancythat

MaizieD

Assuming the country can afford to do this.

I would suggest, fancythat, that you read the Hostage Nation report which I started a thread on. It suggests, in detail, a number of ways that the country could 'afford it', could afford anything it wanted to do so long as the resources are there with which to achieve it.

I know you object to reading documents, but surely being informed about a possible solution to a perceived problem is better than glumly accepting that there is no alternative just because it is a prevailing narrative?

I read parts of the thread, but decided I had nothing new to add to that thread, that I havent already said over the last month or so. And longer.

I just asked you to read the report. Reading the thread tells you nothing.

petra

We could never have built these new towns if we had had the nodding dogs in charge then.
This is a video of just some of the hideous obscene waste that happens in this country when we are planning mega projects.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Plxrsryxw

It was the economic ideology that altered. When it followed Keynes we managed to achieve all the things the report lists. Thatcher and Reagan's following of Hayek and Friedman's 'Free markets, shrink the state' ideology is what has done the damage.

Never forget Keynes' words : "whatever we can do we can afford' .

MaizieD

^Assuming the country can afford to do this.^

I would suggest, fancythat, that you read the Hostage Nation report which I started a thread on. It suggests, in detail, a number of ways that the country could 'afford it', could afford anything it wanted to do so long as the resources are there with which to achieve it.

I know you object to reading documents, but surely being informed about a possible solution to a perceived problem is better than glumly accepting that there is no alternative just because it is a prevailing narrative?

I read parts of the thread, but decided I had nothing new to add to that thread, that I havent already said over the last month or so. And longer.

David49

Dickens

David49

Nothing wrong with a matriarchy as long as they are equally tough as the men would be, to be a leader you have to make tough decisions, a lot won't be popular, the successful female leaders we have seen have been tough.
Leader of a family or a nation decisions have to be taken that aren't popular.

Believe me David, many of us women will have taken unpopular decisions at home - and weathered the fall-out from family members. And expected it.

Absolutely many do, but an awful lot loose control of their children before school age

... then we shan't pick them as part of the Matriarchy

Equally, there are men who just don't cut it either. Being male is no guarantee of strength of character.

Dickens

David49

Nothing wrong with a matriarchy as long as they are equally tough as the men would be, to be a leader you have to make tough decisions, a lot won't be popular, the successful female leaders we have seen have been tough.
Leader of a family or a nation decisions have to be taken that aren't popular.

Believe me David, many of us women will have taken unpopular decisions at home - and weathered the fall-out from family members. And expected it.

Absolutely many do, but an awful lot loose control of their children before school age

Another large housing development much closer to us has very nice and a mix of properties, close to a railway station, but no news transport links, no new schools, shops, etc and it’s caused massive traffic bottlenecks

That is more the norm, Cossy.

Complete lack of planning, no infrastructure.

There is a new town near Plymouth, still work in progress I understand.

We have two “new” areas near us (25-35 min drives)

One was built around the mid 1970’s, on onto the 80’s and the other late 1990’s onto present.

Both were well thought out, both have a massive mix of housing, new road links, new railway stations, doctors surgery, community centres, schools, shops, green areas. This should be the model we use (in my opinion)

Another large housing development much closer to us has very nice and a mix of properties, close to a railway station, but no news transport links, no new schools, shops, etc and it’s caused massive traffic bottlenecks

Pulling out the spikes ……

David49

Nothing wrong with a matriarchy as long as they are equally tough as the men would be, to be a leader you have to make tough decisions, a lot won't be popular, the successful female leaders we have seen have been tough.
Leader of a family or a nation decisions have to be taken that aren't popular.

Believe me David, many of us women will have taken unpopular decisions at home - and weathered the fall-out from family members. And expected it.

petra

We could never have built these new towns if we had had the nodding dogs in charge then.
This is a video of just some of the hideous obscene waste that happens in this country when we are planning mega projects.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Plxrsryxw

You only have to look at HS2 to understand just how badly a project can go wrong

We could never have built these new towns if we had had the nodding dogs in charge then.
This is a video of just some of the hideous obscene waste that happens in this country when we are planning mega projects.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Plxrsryxw

The trend for building "New Towns" has gone, we have a plan for a New Village nearby held up because of a road link
Expanding existing settlements is an easy option but not popular with locals who don't want "their" locality changed.

Cossy

MaizieD

Assuming the country can afford to do this.

I would suggest, fancythat, that you read the Hostage Nation report which I started a thread on. It suggests, in detail, a number of ways that the country could 'afford it', could afford anything it wanted to do so long as the resources are there with which to achieve it.

I know you object to reading documents, but surely being informed about a possible solution to a perceived problem is better than glumly accepting that there is no alternative just because it is a prevailing narrative?

👍👍

MaizieD
Hostage Nation. After reading it I felt sad for my country having lived through and seen what we can do.
I know I’m not the only one on GN who remembers all the new town being built from the late 1940s. Many of my relatives from east London moved to them.
Our house was part of the slum clearance.

www.building.co.uk/from-the-archives-planning-the-postwar-new-towns-1945-46/5127718.article.

Nothing wrong with a matriarchy as long as they are equally tough as the men would be, to be a leader you have to make tough decisions, a lot won't be popular, the successful female leaders we have seen have been tough.
Leader of a family or a nation decisions have to be taken that aren't popular.

fancythat

Please read the Gransnet Cafe rules before replying.

This is a thread for people to post freely about Politics, without judgement from other people.

I dont care if you are left leaning, right leaning, yellow or green or whatever colour.

Post whatever is on your mind. With no judgements.

About a political subject that is current, old or new.
So an ongoing thread, if people want to use it.

In principle, this could be an excellent thread for brainstorming fancythat.

Right, Left, and those somewhere in the middle, could form a non-partisan think-tank!

And, as a largely female group often, if not mostly, charged with running a household - my late partner used to call me the "Home Executive" - maybe we could offer more practical solutions to current problems. Male and female perspectives do differ.

I did hear one rather nice chap say, a while back, that he thought he'd be happier under a Matriarchy - how about that!

MaizieD

^Assuming the country can afford to do this.^

I would suggest, fancythat, that you read the Hostage Nation report which I started a thread on. It suggests, in detail, a number of ways that the country could 'afford it', could afford anything it wanted to do so long as the resources are there with which to achieve it.

I know you object to reading documents, but surely being informed about a possible solution to a perceived problem is better than glumly accepting that there is no alternative just because it is a prevailing narrative?

👍👍

Whitewavemark2

At long last the government is to introduce a vocational pathway for those wanting an alternative to an academic pathway.

It is beginning with the introduction of vocational GCSEs. to be sat in 2029.

Completely support this, but it has to still include English, Maths and IT (imho)

AGAA4

It seems it is proven that Russia interfered in the 2019 GE.
I don't think the government would be taking this seriously if it wasn't happening fancythat.

I am hoping that this new department will take a long hard look at the Russia Report and ask questions about how and why it arrived at its conclusions.

I think this is a helpful overview

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Security_Committee_Russia_report

This is what mystified so many people:

^Since the government had not authorised any investigation into the matter, the committee found no evidence that Russian interference had affected the Brexit referendum. Any such attempt without specific authorisation was not within the purview of British intelligence services as any such actions by the security services themselves could be seen as interference, itself undermining democracy^

The report having been commissioned by a tory government this set alarm bells ringing.