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Are extra-marital affairs the answer?

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Cossy Wed 02-Sept-26 10:01:23

I spoke quite bluntly on a recent post, citing honestly around having an affair.

So I thought, in the spirit of being honest and open, I’d explain where my “views” come from.

I’m an only child, my mother married someone in her early 20’s that she met in the services, and they eloped.

As was the case, back in the day, she had to give up her “job” and be a service wife.

When based in Singapore, at 24, she gave birth to me. A year on, they relocated to Malaysia and a year after that Düsseldorf, in Germany.

By all accounts it was a very unhappy marriage, my biological father was abusive and also addicted to gambling.

Rather than continue her marriage, she took the very brave decision to return home to England, with me, when I was three years old and asked her parents to house us both, which they did.

She returned to Germany, with me, the following year, to ask my biological father for a divorce and to sort out visitations. He was dead, by suicide, in their army flat.

My mother returned with me to her parents, and remarried the following year to a man she’d known from both primary and secondary school and been friends with of part of a group. He subsequently adopted me.

They wanted more children, but my mother miscarried, following this she then had an ectopic pregnancy and was very unwell and subsequently had a full hysterectomy. Then they tried to adopt but were told they were too old (in early thirties).

So happy ever after…..

Mmm, not quite, my new Dad was absolutely amazing, a kind gentle and generous man, but he had one huge flaw, he was also charming and very good looking, sadly he had several affairs during their long marriage.

My mother knew of two. I didn’t really know of any of this, his job took him travelling at least 50% of his working life, and to be, until my early teens, he was the perfect husband and father.

My teens were horrendous, my mother was very angry most of the time, my dad calm and measured. I blamed my mum!

Of course I discovered around 16 that all the arguments were around his “affairs” and my mother was deeply distressed and unhappy.

They didn’t stay together for me, they stayed together because, despite my father’s appalling behaviour with other women, he truly loved my mother and me.

My mother was devastated by his death in 2016, when he was 80 and she cried every night until her death in 2022.

I never properly forgave my dad, whom I did love, for the misery and sadness he caused my mother due to these affairs, it was a very odd and strange marriage, but they stuck it out and it lasted over fifty years. They clearly loved each other and were great parents to me.

So these events have shaped my views around infidelity.

I still don’t understand, to this day, why my dear father, and in every other respective he was a decent man, continued to have affairs, and I guess I never will.

My own DH had a brief affair when our children were very young. I found out purely by accident and initially he denied it. I was utterly devastated and asked for a divorce. In turn he was devastated as he didn’t want to leave me or the children.

After much soul searching and talking, we decided not to end our marriage. It took a very very long time to repair the damage this affair caused and for years I never fully trusted him. However, we’ve been together now for 33 years and are pretty solid now. To the best of my knowledge he did not have any other affairs, I made it very clear he’d have to leave if this ever happened again.

Our lives are shaped by those things we experience and for me, infidelity is so soul destroying and damaging.

Graphite Wed 02-Sept-26 16:26:51

What do people mean by faithful and unfaithful?

The phrase emotional fidelity is relatively new but it’s a commonplace occurrence. There are millions of people using digital media who are engaged in emotional infidelity, forming relationships outside of committed relationships without the knowledge of their spouse or children.

What if one party to a marriage or committed relationship falls in love with someone else but does not consummate the relationship? Is that just as faithless?

Or it it only the relative brief act of copulation that crosses a line? I use that word deliberately because it is just an animal act.

Is someone who engages with a sex worker, where there is no emotion attached to the transaction, being unfaithful?

Curiously, the earliest written definition in the OED of unfaithful as it pertains to wedlock is American and only dates from 1828.

Adultery occurs in writing much earlier. Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and another who is not his or her spouse. appears from the 14C.

AFAIK, the marriage vows only ask that someone to be faithful.

The Ten Commandments say, Thou shalt not commit adultery but they also command us not to do other things which, nowadays, are often done with impunity. What happened to taking God’s name in vain (that diner scene in When Harry Met Sally comes to mind), keeping the Sabbath holy, bearing false witness or not coveting?

I’m not being pious here. I have no religious faith. I just wonder why the often brief physical act of sex is crossing a line when other actions, perhaps more enduring and emotionally “unfaithful” or morally wrong are not.

AGAA4 Wed 02-Sept-26 16:46:58

It's the lying and deceit in any relationship that causes problems and especially so in a close partnership.
When trust has gone then the relationship is over unless the deceived person can tolerate an unreliable partner.

M0nica Wed 02-Sept-26 17:52:06

Graphite I would consider anyone paying for sex outside marriage, as unfaithful, but I think that emotional infidelity is far more damaging than some physical infidelities.

Galaxy Wed 02-Sept-26 18:37:41

I could forgive an affair I think, I could never forgive anyone who pays for sex, I consider those people abusive.

MayBee70 Wed 02-Sept-26 19:54:52

When I was in a singles group we all said we couldn’t understand how our partners could have fallen in love with a woman that was happy to have an affair with a married man with children. The woman who my husband left me for eventually screwed him over for tens of thousands of pound which could have helped our children sad.

Gran22boys Wed 02-Sept-26 20:00:39

Aveline

Any of you tempted to stray yourselves? I've had the chance a couple of times but always thought the better of it.

I have strayed. Looking back I regret it but at the time it felt wonderful. But I wasn’t in a happy marriage and I think that’s the point. If you’re happy you don’t stray.

MT62 Wed 02-Sept-26 20:15:26

AGAA4

Some posters are saying we shouldn't judge but I wonder if a man hit his wife because he is stressed and unhappy would they excuse it because nothing is black and white?

Harm is done in this case perhaps as much as the harm done by finding you have been betrayed.
Emotional harm can sometimes do more damage than physical harm especially for the innocent children involved.

👏👏👏

MT62 Wed 02-Sept-26 20:16:37

AGAA4

It's the lying and deceit in any relationship that causes problems and especially so in a close partnership.
When trust has gone then the relationship is over unless the deceived person can tolerate an unreliable partner.

👏👏👏

MissAdventure Wed 02-Sept-26 20:23:19

I suppose it depends what the question is, as to whether it's the answer.
Few things in adult lives are cut and dried, few people are above reproach, and I would say few people have never had their head turned by attention from an attractive stranger/friend/workmate/acquaintance.

petra Wed 02-Sept-26 20:35:42

MayBee70

When I was in a singles group we all said we couldn’t understand how our partners could have fallen in love with a woman that was happy to have an affair with a married man with children. The woman who my husband left me for eventually screwed him over for tens of thousands of pound which could have helped our children sad.

I was at a party a few weeks ago with the woman my ex left me for. We worked together for some years.
We’ve always got on and laugh a lot together. She phoned me the night he left her.

JenniRen Wed 02-Sept-26 20:49:10

MissAdventure

I suppose it depends what the question is, as to whether it's the answer.
Few things in adult lives are cut and dried, few people are above reproach, and I would say few people have never had their head turned by attention from an attractive stranger/friend/workmate/acquaintance.

"I suppose it depends what the question is, as to whether it's the answer."
I was going to say exactly the same!

Yes, the circumstances and different relationships can vary a lot. Some people have 'open' marriages but remain together. Others may believe that one affair by their partner is the end of the marriage.

The disloyalty would upset me most, I think, and cause a lingering loss of trust.

MissAdventure Wed 02-Sept-26 20:55:46

It depends, as well, on whether one drunken "mistake" is as bad as a two year full blown affair, with all the lies that would entail.

MayBee70 Wed 02-Sept-26 22:38:37

petra

MayBee70

When I was in a singles group we all said we couldn’t understand how our partners could have fallen in love with a woman that was happy to have an affair with a married man with children. The woman who my husband left me for eventually screwed him over for tens of thousands of pound which could have helped our children sad.

I was at a party a few weeks ago with the woman my ex left me for. We worked together for some years.
We’ve always got on and laugh a lot together. She phoned me the night he left her.

My husbands girlfriend moved to somewhere a few hundred yards from our house. I felt physically ill when I drove past it. Prior to that people in my village had known about it. My daughter said she'd always wanted to make us proud of her and worked hard at school to achieve it and her father had dragged us down into the gutter. I spoke to the woman on the phone once and she accused me of being a bad wife. when she was with my husband she then had an affair with her ex husband who she then moved back to when she'd been paid off sad. I have never been able to find anything amusing about that part of my life...

lovethepuppies Wed 02-Sept-26 22:42:01

Graphite

What do people mean by faithful and unfaithful?

The phrase emotional fidelity is relatively new but it’s a commonplace occurrence. There are millions of people using digital media who are engaged in emotional infidelity, forming relationships outside of committed relationships without the knowledge of their spouse or children.

What if one party to a marriage or committed relationship falls in love with someone else but does not consummate the relationship? Is that just as faithless?

Or it it only the relative brief act of copulation that crosses a line? I use that word deliberately because it is just an animal act.

Is someone who engages with a sex worker, where there is no emotion attached to the transaction, being unfaithful?

Curiously, the earliest written definition in the OED of unfaithful as it pertains to wedlock is American and only dates from 1828.

Adultery occurs in writing much earlier. Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and another who is not his or her spouse. appears from the 14C.

AFAIK, the marriage vows only ask that someone to be faithful.

The Ten Commandments say, Thou shalt not commit adultery but they also command us not to do other things which, nowadays, are often done with impunity. What happened to taking God’s name in vain (that diner scene in When Harry Met Sally comes to mind), keeping the Sabbath holy, bearing false witness or not coveting?

I’m not being pious here. I have no religious faith. I just wonder why the often brief physical act of sex is crossing a line when other actions, perhaps more enduring and emotionally “unfaithful” or morally wrong are not.

I think a good measure is, if you wouldn't do it in front of your spouse or wouldn't want your spouse to know about it, it's probably cheating.

Doodledog Wed 02-Sept-26 23:17:54

Galaxy

I could forgive an affair I think, I could never forgive anyone who pays for sex, I consider those people abusive.

Agreed.

Iam64 Thu 03-Sept-26 08:51:10

Doodledog

Galaxy

I could forgive an affair I think, I could never forgive anyone who pays for sex, I consider those people abusive.

Agreed.

So do I.

labazs Thu 03-Sept-26 09:52:44

i think that years ago women had to put up with whatever kind of marriage she had, whether that was abusive, unfaithful etc.
these days people had more choice but to me people do give up on marriages too quickly. hence the high divorce rate.
to me the infidelity does destroy the trust as does abuse and once that is gone it is gone.
i am glad that for women like myself who are abused there are more options though as no one should put up with being punch bags

petra Thu 03-Sept-26 09:54:19

MayBee70
I found her hiding in my house. A bit awkward as we had been working together all day and my ex. 😂 and we all had to go to work the next day.
Life’s too short to carry that pain around.
My ex is on his 5th wife whereas I’m still with the same man 47 years later.

Norah Thu 03-Sept-26 12:28:44

Are extra marital affairs the answer?

To what? What is the question, please?

MayBee70 Thu 03-Sept-26 12:50:39

petra

MayBee70
I found her hiding in my house. A bit awkward as we had been working together all day and my ex. 😂 and we all had to go to work the next day.
Life’s too short to carry that pain around.
My ex is on his 5th wife whereas I’m still with the same man 47 years later.

I'm no shrinking violet. But the way they treated me and my children left me traumatised. Plus our family is £80,000 poorer.