Disappearing contributers

I'm looking forward toAllira saying good morning back to us.

AGAA4

Hopefully GNHQ will get back to update us today. I think we need some clarity about banning as I think some of us may be more tentative about posting now.

You’re not alone. I’ve had so many messages saying the same thing.
The News and Politics thread will be the poorer for it unless you count the price of eggs in Tesco’s going up.
I will say though that the majority of us who post on N&P don’t look for offence.

Good Morning Allira, we're still all here, with everything crossed, hoping you'll be with us again before too long x

I don’t think the N&P board will ever change - too many people looking for an argument. Plus some posts are deliberate windups in my opinion. I don’t avoid it all together, but I don’t post on it as much as I used to. Just not worth it.

BlueBelle

Folks You are losing the way !
This is not about you or your political views or your concerns about your posts….

PLEASE PLEASE let’s stick to the problem in hand getting Allira reinstated and finding out what she did wrong so we can all avoid the wrath of HQ in the future

Agreed. It is important that we find out about the process mentioned by HQ early in the thread, so that we can feel confident to post our views, and to disagree with the views of others without fear of deletion.

(When I saw ‘Good morning Allira’ on the thread preview for a moment I thought she was back!)

Good morning Allira.
Thanks to posters reminding us this thread is about Allira. the consensus of belief is that she has been unjustly banned, we want her back.

👋 and good morning to you Allira
We all hope you are back here and posting with us very soon.

I think the mods will be discussing this situation and I’m hoping for clemency.

Hello Allira, from page 35 on my iPad!

Good morning Allira! Hope you will be back on here soon.

Just checking in to see if there’s any news. 🤞🤞we can soon welcome Allira back where she belongs.

I came by to check in on our friend too. Good morning Allira, missing you x

Keeping all things that be crossed, crossed Allira 😂 🤞

Casdon

I suspect most removals are actually as a result of people making hurtful personal comments, rather than expressing their political views?

I hope that's the case - which doesn't seem a nice thing to say obviously because hurtful remarks can have an affect, but if someone is banned for their political opinion (whichever stripe it is), then that really is worrying.

Not sure either is true though - unkind remarks and hardline political views... do they really get posters banned? Or is it more the language used, the victimisation / denigration of someone?

If that is made clear by GNHQ, it might help?

I believe - and this is entirely my own POV so accept others won't necessarily agree - that politics thread, by their very nature, are going to throw up contentious posts and comments, and that we should be prepared for some heat when entering the arena; additionally, I've begun to understand that people express themselves in their own unique way and that, for example, what might sound harsh to my mind will not necessarily seem like that to another person - nor even the one who makes the comments. One of the people we've mentioned on here who is no longer able to post, had a very direct way of communicating which, to some, was offensive. However, I don't think said person ever set out to deliberately offend, rather to make her point. I think she was someone with a strict code and principles basically and, as I mentioned in an earlier post, it's possible to like someone, even if you don't share their worldview (or most of it anyway). In fact, I got to know this person a little, off-site, and found her very likeable and, in fact, quite kind. I think most will know who I'm talking about.

I don’t understand all this cloak and dagger secrecy

BlueBelle

I don’t understand all this cloak and dagger secrecy

Neither can I. It’s as though communicating with older posters (compared to Mumsnet) is so full of complex issues that we have to be kept in the dark for everyone’s good.

We’re just normal folk with brains and empathy.

It's not a matter of 'cloak and dagger secrecy', it's a matter of confidentiality.

When an employer disciplines or dismisses an employee, they are under no obligation to discuss it with other employees. In reality, staff will often find out eventually through the grapevine, but confidentiality responsibilities prevent employers from broadcasting HR business.

Forums are no different. A certain level of confidentiality still applies. What goes on behind the scenes is a matter between the owners / mods and the member in question.

Any information put forward to other members is entirely at the discretion of those running such forums.

It would obviously be nice to know what happened and why, but unfortunately, being given that information isn't a right, even though it would be nice to have it.

Are you a new poster Bogglemind ?

BlueBelle

I don’t understand all this cloak and dagger secrecy

It has to be cloak and dagger unless posters who report, admit they have reported.

If you were to post the name of the person who you think, or are even certain did Thé reporting, that would probably get another deletion and a suspension or an outright ban.

BlueBelle

Are you a new poster Bogglemind ?

New? Compared to who?

I've been here since February. How about you?

Mollygo, that's precisely the point. Irrespective of the fact we'd like to know what's going on (including me, as it happens), discretion has to be observed.

I'm not against this discussion at all, I do understand it. I'm just explaining, from personal experience, how moderation works.

BoggledMind - by definition then, a New Poster

Bogglemind I just wondered as I hadn’t seen your name pop up before. No I m not new I ve been here about 13 years so I guess I m old.🤣
Anyway a belated welcome to Gransnet

Grandmaofone

BoggledMind - by definition then, a New Poster

What's the Gransnet definition of a new poster?

BoggledMind

It's not a matter of 'cloak and dagger secrecy', it's a matter of confidentiality.

When an employer disciplines or dismisses an employee, they are under no obligation to discuss it with other employees. In reality, staff will often find out eventually through the grapevine, but confidentiality responsibilities prevent employers from broadcasting HR business.

Forums are no different. A certain level of confidentiality still applies. What goes on behind the scenes is a matter between the owners / mods and the member in question.

Any information put forward to other members is entirely at the discretion of those running such forums.

It would obviously be nice to know what happened and why, but unfortunately, being given that information isn't a right, even though it would be nice to have it.

An excellent post. Having worked within the health service I too am aware of the importance of confidentiality issues.

BlueBelle

Bogglemind I just wondered as I hadn’t seen your name pop up before. No I m not new I ve been here about 13 years so I guess I m old.🤣
Anyway a belated welcome to Gransnet

Now I understand...I'm definitely a newbie then.

Thank you for the welcome, it's a great forum.