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justanovice Tue 15-Jan-19 20:06:08

If we had another EU referendum tomorrow would you vote the same way as you did in 2016?

harrigran Wed 16-Jan-19 11:26:43

I was told by a family member that I should have asked DC how I should vote in the referendum because ultimately it is their lives and what I think doesn't matter angry

Nonnie Wed 16-Jan-19 11:26:44

I am really worried about some of the shortermism here. To vote leave because one is fed up with it all shows no thought for future generations. To vote as you did before without thought is also a bad decision. We should all think very carefully and get as much information as we can before deciding how to vote. Ask yourself if your grandchildren will be better off or worse off if your vote is on the winning side.

What difference is it to us if the German economy goes down if we are in or out? We are not tied to the € so I cannot see that it makes any difference either way.

If the EU is going to collapse anyway, as someone suggested, how does it harm us to be in or out? If it collapses then we will be out anyway so why not wait and see?

I am not an economist but I have seen the £ lose 20% of its value since the vote and that worries me.

No organisation is perfect but in simple terms surely it is better to be part of a big organisation which has massive buying power than to be a small country standing alone. Just think of a big supermarket's buying power against a corner shop. Remember we have a seat in the European Parliament, do we really want to give up the influence that gives us? They will still have power over the terms of what we sell and buy if we leave but we will have no voice in the making of the rules.

I am pretty sure I will vote remain again but will wait and see what the situation is at the time. Writing down my thoughts has helped me recognise just how important it is, much more important than a general election, the outcome will be forever.

Nonnie Wed 16-Jan-19 11:28:08

Isn't it the parliament which makes the rules? They are elected.

123coco Wed 16-Jan-19 11:28:15

Rather lame and ill informed. Hatred won’t solve world problems or family problems. Strange attitude!

GabriellaG54 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:28:38

lesley4347
Be very careful what you post.
You don't have any grounds whatsoever for making such an inflammatory comment.

mokryna Wed 16-Jan-19 11:29:51

I was not allowed to vote but my daughter did. She works in a hospital where they are crying out for the foreign workers to stay. There are no others who want to do the work. I suppose that goes for farmers too.
The next referendum should allow 16 year olds to vote as it is their lives

Hm999 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:32:06

Sorry if this sounds offensive, but some of us knew what lies Leave were telling in 2016, and now we all know. Why vote for liars?

Topref Wed 16-Jan-19 11:32:08

Chrissyh Absolutley bang on. Me racist? Classic accusation from people who are clutching at straws to justify why people didn’t vote remain. As for those people who have come and settled in the UK and are working please stay, you are more than welcome in book.

123coco Wed 16-Jan-19 11:33:04

I would like to see facts and. Not more fiction in some of the remarks here regarding immigrants Study after study even by the governments own people have shown that immigrants contribute more to the country than take ! I can only presume these people who don’t want to believe the facts would vote for Donald Trump also I wonder why every prime minister since Ted Heath ( and opposition parties) havevbeen in favour of the European Union and the common market if it’s such a terrible thing These are the people who actually knows the workings of government. The money that’s been wasted already is a disgrace , let’s just let’s just remain and leave the Tory party to the incessant in - fighting about the EU

123coco Wed 16-Jan-19 11:33:37

Absolutely correct !

trisher Wed 16-Jan-19 11:33:40

Would any Leaver like to post a solution to the problem of N. Ireland if we do leave? Because no one else seems to have thought of an acceptable one yet.

Riggie Wed 16-Jan-19 11:34:33

Absolutely.

Topref Wed 16-Jan-19 11:35:24

The EU are dictating to the UK once again by being unprepared to extend Article 50 UNLESS it’s to provide another referendum. OUT again for me!

Topref Wed 16-Jan-19 11:37:40

The ‘problem’ of the NI border is scaremongering by the remainders and EU. Switzerland has free borders with at least 4 EU countries and they are NOT in the EU.

lovebooks Wed 16-Jan-19 11:38:06

Remain.

Hm999 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:39:28

The amount of open racism since the referendum is appalling. So don't say some people's vote to leave wasn't due to racism.
Remain then remain now. We don't have so many friends because of how we've behaved, we don't want closer ties with Trump, so we need all the friends we can get.

montymops Wed 16-Jan-19 11:42:25

I would still vote remain - for the future stability and peace for my grandchildren- I am European anyway being partly Swedish. As ‘absent’ said on another post - was the vote democratic? Not sure- one third of the voting population chose not to vote - how would those vote now? If at all?!

Topref Wed 16-Jan-19 11:43:44

Every Prime Minister, apart from Margaret Thatcher have dug us deeper and deeper into the clutches of the EU. Can you imagine the entanglement had we adopted the Euro too? Apparently some EU countries including Germany, are on the brink of a recession. Isn’t that one of the many things the Pro Remainer MP’s said that would happen to the UK as soon as we voted out? Well nearly 3 years later, I’m still waiting!

Hattiehelga Wed 16-Jan-19 11:45:07

I am a staunch Tory and voted Leave and yes, am proud on both counts. How unreasonable to say that we caused the current situation. Mrs. May as a Remain voter, should not have taken the job. Having done so she took a disastrous road to Brussels to ASK the EU instead of TELLING the EU. A real believer in Leave - the will of the majority - would have put forward the terms on which we would leave and told them there was no room for negotiation and no money ! When competitive sport was stopped in schools I questioned how the next generation would learn how to be good losers. We know now don't we.

Annaram1 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:46:42

I would still vote leave. Don't you wonder why Europe is so determined to prevent us going? They have a hidden agenda and I believe it involves getting our money.

POGS Wed 16-Jan-19 11:55:09

I voted Remain by a whisker but I would now vote Leave.

I have been disgusted at the name calling such as Brexshitters/Racists/Xenophobes/Uneducated/Scum/Traitor used by both left/right of politics and no I do not believe they are in the same league as using the word Remoaner.

I did not make my assumption by reading the Red Wing Rags either then or now as some think ALL voters who do not agree with their view seem to believe happens.

I am not an activist or a member of any political party nor am I receiving any social media spin/political tactics by one side or the other.

I find the ensuing hypocrisy some are prepared to display concerning the whole ebacle totally unedifying along with the disgraceful behaviour of politicians who seem to be in favour of bending the rules to suit their agenda .

Lies were told, lies are still being told by ' both sides ' of the argument and I make my own opinion by listening to them, cross checking the details and for the most part the lies surround political propaganda which I find to put it politely totally disingenuous and again can lead to the charge of hypocrisy usually.

I feel my vote would not be counted but not to much as the UK will Leave more the fact I genuinely feel voting and abiding by the rules of fair play has gone and I feel more upset about that anything to be honest. Democracy as I certainly knew it has been overridden and shamefully accepted by some to suit their agenda.

pen50 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:57:17

Abstained the first time but would vote leave now. Our negotiators have been dreadful but I think the EU have behaved disgracefully.

Happysexagenarian Wed 16-Jan-19 12:01:12

I voted leave and would definitely do the same again.

merlotgran Wed 16-Jan-19 12:05:23

ReadyMeals, I disagree with your post because it was well reported at the time that the Leave result was a shock to many because nobody expected such an enthusiastic turnout from Leave voters. They obviously felt this was their chance to make their feelings count. However, a large number of young Remainers, in their complacency, put their own schedules first (remember Glastonbury?) and didn't bother to turn out. Their response was shocked outrage!! hmm

Two of our grandsons were of voting age at the time, both politics students and pretty certain of their decisions.

One voted Leave, the other Remain so I find myself scratching my head over the constant pleas that we 'must think of our children and grandchildren.' How can anybody say they will be better off if we stay in the EU'

Nobody can see into the future.

patpat1 Wed 16-Jan-19 12:10:45

I voted leave and would still vote leave for the same reasons as before!