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How did the war influence our parents and how they brough us up

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Luckygirl Mon 17-Sept-18 10:43:29

I was chatting to a friend yesterday and we had both found our parents (mothers in particular - see Mother thread!) somewhat cold and unloving - and in her case downright cruel. We got to talking about how the war might have influenced there psyches and parenting style.

I know that my Dad completely refused to say anything at all about the war - I only know he was in the Far East. He was a slightly distant father - certainly never showing affection.

My mother was in the land army, and TBH I think she rather enjoyed it and was bored and frustrated when she left. She certainly had a huge chip in her shoulder about women's role in the world - and this definitely influenced her poor relationship with my Dad. We children were caught in that crossfire. She was not a loving Mum; but not directly cruel - at least not to me - my sister caught the brunt of that.

Victorian- influenced parents; or a legacy of wartime experiences?

Luckygirl Mon 17-Sept-18 10:44:35

Corrections!....brought, their.

Jane10 Mon 17-Sept-18 10:53:22

Mine was evacuated to strict Presbyterian grandparents in the country. I think this was her happiest time. She never had a good relationship with her own mother (but I did!)

trisher Mon 17-Sept-18 11:00:16

My mum worked, had babies and survived through some of the worst bombing in the country. She had 2 children and always worked once we were in school. I do remember her saying she would keep the house clean but not spend her life polishing, because she'd seen too much highly polished furniture hanging out the side of half-bombed houses, while the woman who had polished it was probably lying dead in the rubble.
So it certainly sorted her priorities

Anniebach Mon 17-Sept-18 11:04:52

Much depends where they lived.

Jalima1108 Mon 17-Sept-18 11:15:55

My father never spoke about his war-time experiences to me, although he did to my brothers and later on to DH. He had been in both world wars, not just WW2, although he was just a boy in WW1 in the RN.
My mother was very good at making money go a long way and at 'make do and mend'. She preserved and bottled fruit and vegetables which Dad had grown and we were always well fed even in the years of rationing post-war. She didn't work during the war, having small children, and post-war only part-time.

I don't know if war-time experiences influenced their psyches and parenting style, although they were probably more lenient with me (post-war baby) than my siblings (pre-war babies). At least, that's what my siblings said hmm. They always seemed fairly easy-going; mum disciplined if necessary (never any smacking) and dad would back her up if needed. 'Do what your mother says'.

Certainly my MIL had more Victorian attitudes than either of my DP even though she was younger than both of them.

Fennel Mon 17-Sept-18 11:52:22

My Dad served in the RNVR during WW", like other men he didn't say much about it.
But he had a strong aversion to showing anger or violence which maybe was a result of his experiences. He was by nature a quiet and sensitive man. We weren't allowed to quarrel or fight when he was around, he got upset.
As for my Mum, I could write a book! It was very hard for her, she was early 20s when it started.
My Gran mostly brought me up. No complaints.

Fennel Mon 17-Sept-18 11:54:58

ps I was 3 when WW2 started, so remember quite a lot about it.

oldbatty Mon 17-Sept-18 12:27:37

My dad was evacuated and exchanged one awful home for another. It has massively affected him . So sad.
Mother " could have been a teacher" if the War hadn't stopped her. Not sure about that one!!

Flossieturner Mon 17-Sept-18 12:50:42

My dad loved the army. He had a terrible upbringing and joined in 1939 at just 19. He said it was the first time in his life that he had a pair of boots and the first time he was not hungry. Despite his upbringing he was a loving father, very involved in caring for my brother and myself

Mother was very different. Quite hard and manipulative. She was 16 when the war started. She said it gave them freedom that they had not enjoyed before. She never settled to being a housewife. She worked full time from when we were toddlers. She had quite a vicious tongue. My Nan lived with us and between the two of them, my Dad never stood a chance. Nothing he did was ever right, yet he was such a caring person. He worked shifts and cooked and cleaned . Sadly he died very young.

sodapop Mon 17-Sept-18 12:56:29

I think my parents were more a product of Victorian values and strict religious observance than WW2. My father fought in WW1 but never talked about it much. Sadly he died when I was 16 so I didn't have the opportunity to talk to him as an adult. My mother was a strict disciplinarian and adhered to her religious beliefs and observances all her life. I think I was something of a disappointment in that area.

MiniMoon Mon 17-Sept-18 13:09:40

My Dad went in to the Royal Marines in 1941 when he turned 18. He was a gentle soul and didn't want to go to fight. My Mother left school at 14 and worked in a shop, and then in a pie factory. They both came from strict Methodist families who went to Church three times one Sunday. As others have said, I don't think it was the war that influenced their parenting, more their upbringing.
I never tasted alcohol until I left home! Being Methodist, ours was a teetotal home.

Willow500 Mon 17-Sept-18 13:19:28

I don't know if it was the war per se which affected my mum but certainly the repercussions from both wars had an effect on her. Being born illegitimately after her mother's husband was killed in WW1 (her father turned out to be a married man and her mum wanted nothing to do with him when she found out) was a huge stigma back then and she obviously felt great shame growing up despite being very close to her mother and older siblings. This affected the rest of her life. She then lost her pilot fiancé in WW2 when she was 20 which again had a profound affect on her especially as she also lost her mum around the same time. She didn't have me until she was 33 (met my dad after the war) - I don't remember cuddles or much affection growing up as an only child but despite that I knew she loved me and we were very close in later years when they moved near us.

My dad was also in the Middle East, North Africa and at Dunkirk - he didn't talk about it much but in later years he did open up a bit especially to both my husband and younger son. He must have seen some awful things during those years but whether that influenced the rest of his life I don't know. He was a very gentle man and thought the world of my mum - they were married over 60 years. Sadly he had dementia at the end and forgot everything about his war years - maybe not a bad thing sad

Diana54 Mon 17-Sept-18 13:23:58

Dad went to Europe on D Day and stayed there until 1947 so apart from fighting the Germans had to cope with sorting out the concentration camps, he did show us some photos but said very little in detail it was obviously horrible. He was quite moody at home and spent quite a lot of time at the British Legion club with his army friends, a good provider but didn't spend a lot of time with us kids

Mum was an army nurse that's where they first met I think her experiences were every bit as bad, trying to patch up casualties 18 hours a day, then many didn't recover. She was quite strict being ex army you quickly learned to do as you were told, we had to go to Sunday School as well as church. As others have said make do and mend and make everything go as far as you could but in general we were much better off than a lot of children.

They both smoked heavily, I guess it was to relieve the stress if their experiences.

FlexibleFriend Mon 17-Sept-18 13:37:17

My parents were both adults when war broke out. My dad joined up as soon as he could and stayed until the very end, he was 30 when he joined up so a fully formed adult. My mum was just 18 and hadn't met my dad when war was declared. My mum worked in a munitions factory during the war and worked throughout her life fitting jobs around bringing up 4 kids. My dad was a paratrooper. My parents talked to us quite freely about their wartime experiences. They were very loving parents who lived for their kids and always put us first in everything.

merlotgran Mon 17-Sept-18 13:56:37

Frugality was the name of the game when I was small. Both parents instilled a sense of valuing what you have in us and if we wanted something you waited for Christmas of birthdays or saved your pocket money.

Mum taught in the local primary school during the war while Gran looked after my older brother who was born in 1940. Dad was in the RAF and often talked about wartime experiences but only in a jokey way. We never hear anything disturbing. He kept all that to himself.

They were loving parents and forces life in the fifties and sixties was quite glamorous so I think I was a lucky child.

grannyactivist Mon 17-Sept-18 14:15:56

My grandad was in the territorial army and was away on manoeuvres when war was declared and, apart from a single leave period, he didn't come back until after the war's end. My nana was besotted with my wayward ten year old mum who was totally indulged for the next six years. Mum went to work in a factory aged fourteen and regularly used to go out dancing after work - often telling my nana that she hadn't been able to get home because of bombs in Manchester. By the time the war ended my mum was sixteen and had got used to having her own way and being spoiled. My grandad was a quiet soul and when he got back from the war he would do anything for a peaceful life. My mum often said she enjoyed the war years. shock

Grandma70s Mon 17-Sept-18 14:33:31

I was born in 1940. My father was in a reserved occupation (teaching), so he wasn’t in the army or anything. He did join the Home Guard. My mother was at home. We went to live with my grandparents in the country for a while.

My mother was very good at all the domestic things, so I never felt we missed anything, though I grew up with rationing. My home was very happy. My parents treated me and my brother in a civilised way, talked to us a lot and so on. It is only as I’ve grown older that i’ve realised how frugal our life was. It still affects me. I think everyone has far too much.

inishowen Mon 17-Sept-18 14:35:27

On a slightly different track. I went to school in the fifties. Our headmaster was a Captain Brown. He only employed ex servicemen who had been in the war. Sadly a lot of these men were damaged and should never have been teachers. I was regularly caned for minor spelling mistakes. The teacher got a lot of glee from hurting us. I wish my parents had got me out of that school. At the time I thought all schools were like this. Years later i found that other people had had a nice experience at school.

sandelf Mon 17-Sept-18 15:02:26

We do forget just how hard both money wise and social attitudes life was for women. And ideas of what a parent should do with/for children were worlds away. (Did you see Back in Time the Factory - first episode they were shocked to get their pay packets and find that the experienced hands got less than the young trainee - they were women and he was a man - that's just the way it was).

Irenelily Mon 17-Sept-18 15:11:43

Strange this subject has come up. On Monday, I am going to talk to Y6 children where my daughter is Headteacher. I have done this before and the children can’t believe I’m so old! I was a child in the blitz in London, no brothers and sisters but we had another family sheltering with us and for us children it was fun. My parents were amazing. I know now that my mother was very nervous in the bombing but she didn’t show it. My father was too old for war service as he had been in the medical corps in 1914- 1918but he was a fire watcher where he worked. Once our school playground was machine gunned. Yet somehow my parents gave me a sense of self worth and a feeling that we must cope with each day as it comes and just get on with things. A useful lesson for all the ups and downs I’ve met in life!

kathyd Mon 17-Sept-18 15:17:03

I know that my mother was affected by the war. My dad was in the navy and he and my mother adored one another. He was killed when I was a baby and I never knew him. My mother remained bitter about his death until the end of her life and I've been told that when she heard he'd died she wanted nothing to do with my brother and me. She was always cold and distant but duty bound and we were well fed and dressed. She made all of our clothes and scrimped and saved.
She had to go back to work when she was widowed and we were looked after by wonderful Muriel who loved us and cuddled us.
When she and her husband returned home after the war the sudden cessation of all of that affection I think affected me throughout my life.
I am demonstrative and quite different to my mother and my paternal uncles and aunts used to say how like my father my personality was. He was lovely, of course! grin

kathyd Mon 17-Sept-18 15:29:58

Inishowen that resonates with me too. I hated school and underachieved all through. I did shock my biology teachers however, when I attained the hightest mark ever known to them for A Level biology.
It was only because I loved the subject and was absorbed in it. Oh, and my drawing of the digestive system of the rabbit. It was a stroke of luck that it was a question choice. They would have had to give me full marks for that as I reckon it was perfect, complete and fully shaded to show 3-D effect. Art was another A-Level!

DotMH1901 Mon 17-Sept-18 15:30:42

My Dad was born in 1901 and his father, my grandfather Archie, was a drunk who was violent towards my grandmother when he had had a drink. He had both my Dad, my Uncle and my Aunt terrified because of his temper and fists although he didn't hit them. My maternal grandfather also beat my maternal grandmother, again he never laid a finger on the children, just his wife. My Dad rarely lost his temper and, if he did, he just shouted. I can only remember Mum smacking me once. But they did argue constantly and a recurring theme of my childhood was being bundled into Mum's car and spending several weeks at Gran's house until Mum considered Dad had apologised enough. Mum had been engaged before she married Dad but her fiance had been killed in the war. She used to say if he was alive she would never have looked twice at my Dad (Mum and Dad were cousins and Dad married her a couple of years after he was divorced by his first wife). I think Mum married him because he was a Police Inspector with a good income, car, respect in the community and a lovely house in a 'posh' area. Unfortunately he chose to retire four years after they married (he was twenty years older than Mum) and their income dropped drastically after they moved to North Wales. If he had opted to continue working I am sure half the arguments would not have happened.

luluaugust Mon 17-Sept-18 15:41:56

My mum was in London during WW2 in a reserved occupation. She was bombed out on one occasion and machine gunned at a bus stop on another. I never realised how badly affected she was until Millennium night when all the fireworks went off and she said it was like the blitz, she was very shaky. She was an affectionate mum in her way but that generation don't seem to have cuddled and hugged as much as we did with the children. OH and I agree that our families had three or four well worn stories and that was it.