Children not welcome!

I agree with durhamjen on this. When I take my perfectly behaved DGC out and about we don't come across many children running wild, with parents not trying to control them. Even in venues specifically for children, where there are hordes of them. Yes, there's the odd tantrum (my DD1 could tantrum for England, so I have sympathy with the poor parent dealing with it), and a lot of laughter and excitement - they're children! But nothing that would spoil my day. I felt ashamed of myself on a recent trip when an older boy barged into DGS2, nearly knocking him over, and I bristled. Until his mum apologised and explained about his additional needs.

There are four coffee shops in our village where I can take my grandchildren after I pick them up after school.
They chat pleasantly to the people in the coffee shops, know the names of the people who work there and ask about their families and pets, ask them what they did in the holidays or since they last saw them, and altogether act like reasonable people.
Isn't that how we should all bring up our children?
However, if they are banned because of the behaviour of others, how will they ever learn?

My daughter and her partner once took their child, aged about three, to a restaurant. He sat in his seat and behaved himself, but kept up a constant commentary and series of questions about everything going on around him. When he saw a plate of whitebait being served, he exclaimed, "Oh look at those fish! They're not very happy fish - they're all dead!"
When the couple at the next table had finished their sad, dead whitebait and got up to leave, they thanked my daughter's family for making their meal so entertaining.