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A glottal stop too far

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thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 07:58:38

I'm a pronunciation snob. Actually, no, I'm a stickler for articulation. I love hearing different regional accents, but I also like clear speech, speech with well articulated words whatever the underlying accent is. Is it just me or is there an increasing tendency for sloppy speech full of glottal stops where there used to be lovely sharp Ts?

When I read this morning that Angela Rayner, shadow education secretary, said that Theresa May's grammar school proposals, if implemented, would be "de'rimen'al", I cringed. My cringing was not about the effect of more grammar schools, which is a separate issue from what I'm talking about here, but the abuse of the word detrimental.

My hearing is very good (as yet) but I find it takes longer for me to understand sloppily pronounced words. Perhaps it's because too much of my brain is having to translate unfamiliar words into forms that have, to me, greater clarity.

Youngeil Tue 13-Sept-16 11:42:56

Typing not so good - it should, of course, be pet.

Youngeil Tue 13-Sept-16 11:41:41

My biggest per hate is contrAversy instead of controversy - my husband shouts at the screen for me now.

Antonia Tue 13-Sept-16 11:41:39

I don't mind regional accents at all but my pet peeve is the constant and superfluous addition of the word 'like' into every sentence. In particular the phrase 'I was like...'

obieone Tue 13-Sept-16 11:40:40

I personally think my accent is dreadful.
It sounds fine to me, until I hear it played back.

gillybob Tue 13-Sept-16 11:39:07

My old headteacher at high school used to say " I will not tolewate jewelly* bless her she had suffered a stroke which left her speech impaired. My best friend was called Julie and we all used to say " Miss Harris just won't tolewate you" cruel I know .

obieone Tue 13-Sept-16 11:38:48

I feel like there should be an "ist" for this.
Grammarist. Accentist?

Indinana Tue 13-Sept-16 11:37:34

What seems odd to me is that the glottal stop is usually associated with lazy speech, but de'rimen'al is actually harder to say than detrimental confused. Well it is for me anyway.

Ana Tue 13-Sept-16 11:35:11

And burgalry instead of burglary. Inspector Frost (David Jason) used to be guilty of that!

Also joollery

Christinefrance Tue 13-Sept-16 11:28:33

Oh yes nanasam that one is awful also February without the first ' r ' and burgular instead of burglar. Feel an attack of grumpy old woman coming on.

nanasam Tue 13-Sept-16 11:13:32

How about 'Nucular' power? angry

gillybob Tue 13-Sept-16 11:10:33

Maybe "Expert Grammarians " should get a life and what the hell is "Estuary English" when it's at home?

Sugarpufffairy Tue 13-Sept-16 11:07:04

I like proper speech too. I cringe at the constant mumffp being used on house type television programmes such as Homes under the Hammer or Benefit Tenants instead of month. The wrong grammar of Bradley Walsh and others is irritating. I hate to hear people talk of drawring instead of drawing and another one being aks in place of ask. I wonder why the BBC VOICE is longer heard. People took pride in speaking clearly and properly but now it is not even required for television personalities. I would not object to a regional accent if the words used were properly and not slovenly delivered

daphnedill Tue 13-Sept-16 11:04:49

I wouldn't choose Jo Cox as a nanny :-(

KatyK Tue 13-Sept-16 11:04:06

I love accents andI have a broad Brummie accent but I too hope I know how to speak. It just strikes me as sloppy.

daphnedill Tue 13-Sept-16 11:03:03

Sorry, but I disagree with you. I've just been listening to Angela Rayner on YouTube

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vMsT4r6Wic

I've heard people in Stockport speak like that.

Here are some features of a Manchester accent:

englishesna1d.wikispaces.com/Mancunian

A glottal 't' is typical.

Jaycee5 Tue 13-Sept-16 11:02:12

I agree. I also find Jess Phillips' estuary English makes her sound yobbish (which isn't helped by the things she says).
Estuary English isn't an accent, it is just bad elocution but saying that would lead to accusations of snobbery.
Angela Rayner has said that she did not have a good education herself and had to overcome it and so I do think that she will make a good education secretary but it would be better if she improved her speech. I am disappointed tough that she has not said anything about the governments proposals to make faith schools even more divisive.
I think the same thing about Jo Cox. She is great as a nanny but I would still choose one who spoke well if I were in that position.

annsixty Tue 13-Sept-16 10:57:42

I am from Stockport but I hope I know how to speak, well actually I do know how to speak and glottal stops don't come into it.

Greyduster Tue 13-Sept-16 10:57:41

There are those who seem to have made the 'W' redundant. "Droring" and "loranorder" are ones that particularly drive me wild. "Was" and "were" became a thorny issue between my former boss and myself. He considered himself to be an expert grammarian (he considered himself to be an expert in everything) and we were constantly at odds as I used to proof read his reports and letters. I would correct a 'was' for a 'were' and he would send back having put the original word back in.

Ana Tue 13-Sept-16 10:57:24

Yes, 'sickth' and also 'fith' are my pet hates...

And 'secketry'.

gillybob Tue 13-Sept-16 10:56:39

Yes George Clark is from the NE shysal and I think his accent is lovely.

gillybob Tue 13-Sept-16 10:54:16

Oh dear I couldn't disagree more. I love to hear regional accents. Some more than others ( I hate mine) but really couldn't care less about how things are pronounced . Why do we all need to sound as though we are reading the news ?

GrandmasueUK Tue 13-Sept-16 10:42:40

KatieK - everytime Bradley says that I cringe too. I love him to bits but argh! Personally I dislike 'sickth' instead of 'sixth'. I feel eyes boring into me as I bite my tongue not to say anything when I hear it on television. My family are waiting for me to react!

KatyK Tue 13-Sept-16 10:37:07

And my pet hate 'sick' instead of 'sixth'

daphnedill Tue 13-Sept-16 10:36:13

Angela Rayner is from Stockport and a glottal 't' is part of the Manchester accent.

Gaggi3 Tue 13-Sept-16 10:33:59

Yes, I admit to hating all these crimes against pronunciation too. I hate 'claps' for 'collapse','rawlway' for 'railway', and many more. I also hate the shock of two vowels.