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A glottal stop too far

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thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 07:58:38

I'm a pronunciation snob. Actually, no, I'm a stickler for articulation. I love hearing different regional accents, but I also like clear speech, speech with well articulated words whatever the underlying accent is. Is it just me or is there an increasing tendency for sloppy speech full of glottal stops where there used to be lovely sharp Ts?

When I read this morning that Angela Rayner, shadow education secretary, said that Theresa May's grammar school proposals, if implemented, would be "de'rimen'al", I cringed. My cringing was not about the effect of more grammar schools, which is a separate issue from what I'm talking about here, but the abuse of the word detrimental.

My hearing is very good (as yet) but I find it takes longer for me to understand sloppily pronounced words. Perhaps it's because too much of my brain is having to translate unfamiliar words into forms that have, to me, greater clarity.

Lyndylou Tue 13-Sept-16 13:38:49

Earlier this year when I picked my DGS up from school, we would walk up the hill saying his 2 times table and every time I was correcting "for'een" into fourteen. Then my DP and I went to Pets at Home and the bill came to £14.14p When the young assistant said "That will be for'een. for'een please", my DP had to restrain me from leaning over the counter and saying "Listen to Nana It's FOURTEEN FOURTEEN !!"

Swanny Tue 13-Sept-16 13:46:23

lizzypopbottle My pet hate is would of, could of, should of.

I agree with you. I can understand that when abbreviated in speech it sounds like would've, could've and should've but that is no excuse for it to be written in full with of rather than have hmm

aquagran Tue 13-Sept-16 13:46:23

No "p" needed when using the £ sign.

Rosina Tue 13-Sept-16 13:47:06

How about 'I will try AND' when it should be 'Try TO..'. that one makes me twitch - does it irritate anybody else?

chicken Tue 13-Sept-16 13:54:12

Yes, also 'different to' instead of 'different from'. I'm an old pedant!

thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 13:58:33

jaycee5, I think, for people who litter their speech with 'like', saying something without inserting 'like' is probably a bit like trying to eat a doughnut without licking your lips grin

MrB had a "basically" phase, where he started every explanation with "Basically, ..." I haven't noticed it recently, for which I'm glad.

Craftycat Tue 13-Sept-16 14:11:08

I always have to correct words heard on radio pronounced incorrectly out loud. Drives DH mad!
Even worse is the habit younger people have (my 8 year old GD!)of raising their voices at the end of every sentence as US & Australians do. I know she watches far too much US TV- They are allowed NO US programmes on when they stay here. Why can there not be more British programmes for children. Once they grow out of CeeBeebies they are bombarded with American programmes.

lindiann Tue 13-Sept-16 14:14:32

My pet hate is when someone says 14 pound instead of fourteen pounds

Day6 Tue 13-Sept-16 14:17:10

I love regional accents, must admit.

However, I cannot bear any TV programmes that focus on celebrities (who, it seems to me, are famous for doing very little and having very little talent.) Thank you, makers of ghastly reality TV programmes. hmm

My bug bear is the way these 'celebrity' people on TV gush all the time. I loathe constant gushing but it's becoming common on TV. It's so false. Not only that, the full-of-themselves gushers, like that Rylan person, always tell us they are "loving" everything. Where is the vomit emoticon when you need one?

"I am loving that dress..." is just wrong. Actually, Lorraine is guilty of the same offence. It grates.

Please don't get me started on people who, when requesting a beverage say, "Can I GET a coffee?" I've added the question mark. I always want to retort, "OK, well shoo. Go and GET it then." angry

Jalima Tue 13-Sept-16 14:29:20

maryhoffman I don't think daphnedil meant Jo Cox, I think she must mean Jo Frost, super-nanny.

She wouldn't have said that about Jo Cox.
dd are you there?

POGS Tue 13-Sept-16 14:48:22

Can't say it bothers me to be honest.

I quite like regional variances and nuances . Take the words Brizzle and the fact someone with a strong Bristolian accent has a tendency to put an 'l' at the end of some words. EG. Aval Gardinal went to the Operal. (Ava Gardiner went to the opera)

I personally was brought up near Glastonbury and 'Baff' (Bath) and I love going back to Somerset from my home now in Leicestershire and being asked 'Wirr zer bin to young un". (Where have you been young one) , even though I'm 64. 'He be fick in the ed him". (He's thick in the head him).

Part of Life's Rich Tapestry as they say.

Jalima Tue 13-Sept-16 15:44:41

Zounds loike properr talk POGS

Jane10 Tue 13-Sept-16 15:54:45

My DH went through an irritating phase of unthinkingly saying 'to be honest' before saying anything. He only stopped when I said that I expected him to be honest so he didn't need to tell me in advance.
Now he seems to talk only in the present tense instead of the past tense when telling me about things that had happened during his day at work e.g. I'm walking in and Jimmy says to me etc etc". Ratty? Moi?

Ilrina Tue 13-Sept-16 15:57:38

I agree strongly. Dialect and regional accents are fine, sloppy speech NO NO NO!!!

TriciaF Tue 13-Sept-16 16:32:58

Like Pogs, it doesn't bother me either. I'm just glad I can hear them at all (starting to go deaf.)Especially if they're Geordie or Northumbrian.
I do get irritated by people writing in textspeak though , but that's a different subject.

gillyknits Tue 13-Sept-16 16:38:28

How about 'bored of' instead of with? Cringe!

lindiann Tue 13-Sept-16 16:40:37

To all intents and purposes AGHH!!! Someone at work keeps saying it and it sounds lika All intensive porpoise

wot Tue 13-Sept-16 16:41:23

A be''er bi' a bu''er is my favourite! (A better bit of butter) I wonder if using the glottal stop would make it easier to learn to speak Arabic?

hildajenniJ Tue 13-Sept-16 16:44:31

All his life my Dad said redchester for register. It grated on me, but being the loving daughter that I am, I never corrected him. Then instead of than is my pet hate at the moment, my daughter is guilty of this one. She needed speech therapy as a child, and tried so hard to say everything correctly that I let it slide.

Lyndylou Tue 13-Sept-16 16:58:38

"No "p" needed when using the £ sign"

Do you know aquagran, I wrote the comment because I thought it was a funny co-incidence that makes me smile, and might just raise one from some one reading, but after reading your comment, I just wish I hadn't bothered and it will make me think twice about adding comments at all in the future.

Oh and if I want to use the b****y "p" in when using the £ sign I will.

Disgruntled Tue 13-Sept-16 17:11:19

I agree, I agree, I agree!
I wouldn't let Jo Cox near any children I loved, Daphne - just not asseptible.
There's a brilliant production on at the Crucible at the moment, set during the Blitz (but it's funny) and I noticed a glottal stop had crept in even there. (It was only the once, thank goodness.)
Your boss, Greyduster, would have driven me bezerk.

Disgruntled Tue 13-Sept-16 17:21:16

Sorry, I meant Jo Frost.
What about "anythink", sat instead of sitting, lay down instead of lie down, I when it should be me, "I was stood" instead of "I was standing".......
Aaaaarrrrrghhhh, melt down.

aquagran Tue 13-Sept-16 17:27:24

Sorry, thought you required accuracy.

Sue162 Tue 13-Sept-16 18:04:29

What about the invasive 'er' used in such words as Wemberley, sparkerling,crumberling amd many others. Perhaps the people who use such distortions need throtterling. grin

nancyma Tue 13-Sept-16 18:18:40

I enjoy all kinds of accents. Language and pronounciation does change or else we would all speak like her majesty in 1953 ! I do find that people speak much more quickly especially in films and I sometimes spend a lot of time 'translating' for DH