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A glottal stop too far

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thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 07:58:38

I'm a pronunciation snob. Actually, no, I'm a stickler for articulation. I love hearing different regional accents, but I also like clear speech, speech with well articulated words whatever the underlying accent is. Is it just me or is there an increasing tendency for sloppy speech full of glottal stops where there used to be lovely sharp Ts?

When I read this morning that Angela Rayner, shadow education secretary, said that Theresa May's grammar school proposals, if implemented, would be "de'rimen'al", I cringed. My cringing was not about the effect of more grammar schools, which is a separate issue from what I'm talking about here, but the abuse of the word detrimental.

My hearing is very good (as yet) but I find it takes longer for me to understand sloppily pronounced words. Perhaps it's because too much of my brain is having to translate unfamiliar words into forms that have, to me, greater clarity.

gillybob Tue 13-Sept-16 11:10:33

Maybe "Expert Grammarians " should get a life and what the hell is "Estuary English" when it's at home?

nanasam Tue 13-Sept-16 11:13:32

How about 'Nucular' power? angry

Christinefrance Tue 13-Sept-16 11:28:33

Oh yes nanasam that one is awful also February without the first ' r ' and burgular instead of burglar. Feel an attack of grumpy old woman coming on.

Ana Tue 13-Sept-16 11:35:11

And burgalry instead of burglary. Inspector Frost (David Jason) used to be guilty of that!

Also joollery

Indinana Tue 13-Sept-16 11:37:34

What seems odd to me is that the glottal stop is usually associated with lazy speech, but de'rimen'al is actually harder to say than detrimental confused. Well it is for me anyway.

obieone Tue 13-Sept-16 11:38:48

I feel like there should be an "ist" for this.
Grammarist. Accentist?

gillybob Tue 13-Sept-16 11:39:07

My old headteacher at high school used to say " I will not tolewate jewelly* bless her she had suffered a stroke which left her speech impaired. My best friend was called Julie and we all used to say " Miss Harris just won't tolewate you" cruel I know .

obieone Tue 13-Sept-16 11:40:40

I personally think my accent is dreadful.
It sounds fine to me, until I hear it played back.

Antonia Tue 13-Sept-16 11:41:39

I don't mind regional accents at all but my pet peeve is the constant and superfluous addition of the word 'like' into every sentence. In particular the phrase 'I was like...'

Youngeil Tue 13-Sept-16 11:41:41

My biggest per hate is contrAversy instead of controversy - my husband shouts at the screen for me now.

Youngeil Tue 13-Sept-16 11:42:56

Typing not so good - it should, of course, be pet.

GillT57 Tue 13-Sept-16 11:47:56

I have been known to turn a programme off due to the sloppy pronunciation of a presenter. As others have said, nothing to do with accent ( although I admit some do grate a bit) but it is about dropping consonants, sometimes in a pathetic attempt to come across as cool and 'down with the kids'. I hate to hear wa-er and Sa-urday and bu--er. The most cringeworthy episode was when the glottal stop was faked ( unbelievable)in the ghastly broadcast by the Remain group before the referendum; as if all young people are hip hop fans who strut about talking about 'votin and keepin it real, like. Truly ghastly.

Rosina Tue 13-Sept-16 11:55:59

When did the Police become the 'Pleece'? They always are on the TV news programmes. Also 'Nuthink' drives me crazy, along with 'Engerland'.

I agree with Jaycee5; I grew up in the East End of London and cannot remember a single person who sounded like anybody employed in the cast of East Enders! 'Not snobbery - just fact.

Aaggh! It's a hot day and I'm starting to get even hotter thinking about this.

Dharmacat Tue 13-Sept-16 12:10:24

Always grates when the weather presenters miss the "t" and often the "d" out of Scotland -comes out as "Scolun". No excuse for lazy speech.

Different "to" instead of "from" and mistakes in the usage of "few" and "less" - singular use of "was " in plural form although "we was " is very much in use in Hull ; could go on .......

lizzypopbottle Tue 13-Sept-16 12:16:03

My late husband was born and raised in Northumberland. That's not 'geordie', by the way. Geordies are from Newcastle upon Tyne. When we were first married, we lived in St. Helens and when his parents visited us they said they had to talk 'posh' to make themselves understood! ?

My pet hate is would of, could of, should of.

Direne3 Tue 13-Sept-16 12:16:06

Tony Blair was a major offender (attempting to be 'street'?)and some his colleagues appeared to emulate him.

Direne3 Tue 13-Sept-16 12:17:03

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Jalima Tue 13-Sept-16 12:17:36

I thought her heaving bosom was enough of a distraction from anything sensible she may have had to say, without adding glottal stops into the mix.

lizzypopbottle Tue 13-Sept-16 12:21:55

nanasam What about a biology teacher who can't say nucleus? Yes, she said nuculus throughout the topic on cells so a whole set of children every year heard that every lesson!

nanaGill Tue 13-Sept-16 12:38:18

Oh, how I agree with the above, but while we are being 'grammarist', what really makes me mad is when people say 'me and someone' did something, rather than 'someone and I'. It is becoming so common, even with people I would have thought knew better.Grrrr!!!

Jaycee5 Tue 13-Sept-16 12:46:04

Antonia Judge Judy always stops people who keep saying 'like' and says 'now say that again without using the word 'like' and people are often incapable of doing it.
I worked with a trainee solicitor who was incapable of saying a sentence that didn't start 'basically'. I told her that it is a doubting word and people want to believe that solicitors know what they are talking about. She said that she didn't know she was doing it.

maryhoffman37 Tue 13-Sept-16 13:14:03

What a vile comment, daphnedill.

LinM48 Tue 13-Sept-16 13:18:28

I am a Cockney born and bred, and proud of my roots, but I still pronounce my T's etc and still correct my adult daughters if they slip into Estuary English (moved to Essex) My biggest gripe more than lazy speaking is lazy spelling .How many times do I wish I could correct Facebook entries , with a big red pen, as basic as there/their/they're and two/too/to.....

krysiam Tue 13-Sept-16 13:29:17

My pet hate is starting every response with "So"

chicken Tue 13-Sept-16 13:33:28

Times change. When I was at school, I spoke some sentence containing the word "forehead" which I said as it was written, only to have the headmistress tell me, in very icy tones, " It's forrid, gel, forrid". My pet hate is the confusion between I and me and the people who think it sounds posh to use I when it ought to be me!