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A glottal stop too far

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thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 07:58:38

I'm a pronunciation snob. Actually, no, I'm a stickler for articulation. I love hearing different regional accents, but I also like clear speech, speech with well articulated words whatever the underlying accent is. Is it just me or is there an increasing tendency for sloppy speech full of glottal stops where there used to be lovely sharp Ts?

When I read this morning that Angela Rayner, shadow education secretary, said that Theresa May's grammar school proposals, if implemented, would be "de'rimen'al", I cringed. My cringing was not about the effect of more grammar schools, which is a separate issue from what I'm talking about here, but the abuse of the word detrimental.

My hearing is very good (as yet) but I find it takes longer for me to understand sloppily pronounced words. Perhaps it's because too much of my brain is having to translate unfamiliar words into forms that have, to me, greater clarity.

Daisyanswerdo Tue 13-Sept-16 18:21:44

Disgruntled, I'm with you all the way!

thatbags Tue 13-Sept-16 18:48:22

nancyma, I find a lot of speaking is too fast as well. It seems to happen especially on radio, as if the programme makers hadn't really allowed enough time for all that needed to be said. Also in films: I often miss phrases or sentences that are muttered at extra speed. Mind you, in those cases, I think it's the muttering (lack of articulation again) as much as speed.

Amie Tue 13-Sept-16 18:53:43

I think we all have our views as to what we feel is acceptable and what is not - be it articulation, grammar or prosody.
From the posts I've read it does sound as if there are many "middle class grannies" (and I am one) who find that some omissions, errors etc really do jar.
Having said that language does evolve; listen to Wendy's voice on the original (1950) Peter Pan DVD and you will find it sounds rather "clipped". RP speech does change over time and whilst I have my minor irritations (bee'root) I have to say that the programme that drives ME barmy is "Made in Chelsea" where there are absolutely no glottal stops to be found! (DIL loves it and I love her so I pretend to enjoy it!)

Direne3 Tue 13-Sept-16 19:00:48

Quite agree with Day6, I call them 'me,me,me' people. Another thing is the number of times that the word but is used on weather forecasts - I find it quite amusing, if distracting, to keep count.

wot Tue 13-Sept-16 19:02:25

The accent on "Brief Encounter" is hideous and reminds me of Harry Enfield!

Juggernaut Tue 13-Sept-16 19:18:41

daphnedill really needs to check what she's sending before she sends it!
I'm going to be charitable and assume she intended to type 'Jo Frost' not 'Jo Cox', but it was a dreadful mistake to make!

Katek Tue 13-Sept-16 19:26:48

Apparently the purest English is spoken in Inverness. Just saying!!

Sugarpufffairy Tue 13-Sept-16 19:29:40

Daphne dil made a mistake I would presume. It took me a while to work out what was so wrong. I took her to mean the nanny Jo. I could not recall her surname either. I would not have nanny Jo near my kids either.

Sugarpufffairy Tue 13-Sept-16 19:31:07

I have heard that too Katek.

suzied Tue 13-Sept-16 19:33:57

Nothing new here. I remember a boy In the playground (50+) years ago when asked who had hit the ball: " e it it". Also, one of my DC, aged about 5, talking about a classmate: "he says butter without any ts".

Linsco56 Tue 13-Sept-16 20:34:16

There are certain actors who I refuse to watch, Liam Neeson in particular. His inability to enunciate clearly and poor voice projection does not make easy listening.

However a cut-glass accent grates on my nerves a little, so ideally a neutral accent projected well.

Jalima Tue 13-Sept-16 20:38:49

Spf I think someone else made the mistake first then Daphnedil just copied it without thinking (that's what I think anyway fwiw).

Gaggi3 Tue 13-Sept-16 20:41:59

When I was quite small and listening to adult conversation, it seemed to be quite a habit to say, "She turned round and said ....", " And then she turned round and said....". No-one seemed able to hold a conversation without spinning round and round. I found it very puzzling.

Cherrytree59 Tue 13-Sept-16 21:01:05

How can you love someone to bits?

wot Tue 13-Sept-16 21:08:51

Gaggi, ?? whirling dervishes!

gillybob Tue 13-Sept-16 21:21:38

I never realised that gransnet was so snobby! or maybe I always knew

gillybob Tue 13-Sept-16 21:22:11

Jeez it must be wonderful to be so perfec

lizzypopbottle Tue 13-Sept-16 21:37:02

Unfortunately, people can't hear/don't listen to the way they speak. We learned this on a course led by a speech therapist. She was explaining that it's no use trying to correct children with speech difficulties e.g. inability to pronounce 'g' by mocking them (as if we would have!) Say Bobby can't sound 'g'. If you tell him, "Bobby, doh and det the doddles!", he'll look blankly at you and then say, "Dont be silly, Mrs Jones! It's not doh and det the doddles. It's doh and det the doddles!" In other words, (go and get the goggles) Bobby thinks he's pronouncing those words in the same way as everyone else when they pronounce them correctly.

People seem to use then instead of than these days.

'Myself' is a word much misapplied...

But here's a cheering thought! It has annoyed me greatly, when using the self-checkout in Morrisons, that the till voice always said, "Morrison's More card excepted. Hooray! They've changed it so she says accepted! Whoop! Yes, I know. I'm a saddo....

gillybob Tue 13-Sept-16 21:41:32

You got it in one.

Ana Tue 13-Sept-16 21:42:06

But 'she' could have just had a very posh accent, lizzypopbottle - like wot the Queen used to sound like when she were a lass...wink

lizzypopbottle Tue 13-Sept-16 21:57:31

Well, they've changed it, Ana, so someone must have complained!

lizzypopbottle Tue 13-Sept-16 22:00:57

Only just worked out what you meant, gillybob. Better to be a saddo, perhaps... ?

grannybuy Tue 13-Sept-16 22:09:02

I also hate the dropping of t's! My Dsil is interviewed on TV occasionally, and he comes across very well, in spite of coming from a region well known for it's strong accent, but I'm aghast at the number of times he drops his t's! I'm afraid I had to tell him!

Jalima Tue 13-Sept-16 23:04:21

The Queen is doing voice overs for Morrisons?
shock

Aslemma Wed 14-Sept-16 00:23:13

I remember years ago the little boy over the road saying he had lost his ball in the "gu'er". Unable to restrain myself I asked what the "gu'er" was and got the reply "wha' the wa'er comes ou' of"