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vampirequeen Sun 19-Jun-16 21:48:18

Recently I was taking part in a discussion on a website that is mainly made up of men when it dawned on me how equality has affected men.

I'm not saying we should go back to the times when women had few or no rights, unequal pay, lack of opportunities etc. but I'm wondering if it's gone too far in some ways.

The men were talking about the hours they sit in shops waiting for their wives to try on yet another piece of clothing and how they pass the time. I asked them why they did it. Why go shopping when they hate it so much? The consensus was that it kept the peace. It was easier than the argument and bad feeling that would happen if they said no. The image of a bored man waiting outside a ladies changing room is a standard joke but really it's a man doing something to keep the peace. Would it be seen as funny if a woman was doing something she hated just to keep the peace?

Images of videos and images of woman as sex objects often cause outrage yet the Diet Coke advert where a group of women leer at a man with no shirt on is seen as funny. As are adverts that depict men as halfwits who are incapable of using household appliances, caring for children, etc.

Surely gender equality means that everyone is treated with respect. It seems to me that things have tipped over the other way.

etheltbags1 Wed 22-Jun-16 11:47:51

Equality may have gone too far but men think differently to us girls. I never took my late husband shopping-why should I, I paid for my own clothes!
I cant abide couple who are 'joined at the hip'.

The only thing I must admit to feeling sorry for men is when there is a divorce and the woman gets the house, a good allowance and the man gets to see the kids once a while.
I realise that there are many divorcing couples who are not like this but I just feel sorry for the men who lose so much.

Other than that we women are superior in every way, what we lose in the muscles we gain in the brain powers. Women rule!!!

Nonnie1 Wed 22-Jun-16 12:09:26

I would never dream of taking my partner with me shopping unless it was a window shopping expedition and maybe one specific purchase only. After that maybe a coffee and a stroll back to the car.

I find the adverts where they do this role reversal on women perving on men to be pathetic. No woman would lower herself to be like that.

They are taking the piss out of women not men here and I find it to be an insult to intelligence. I mean... who drinks Coke anywayssmile

How we perceive equality is in the mind of the individual. Some of us are more equal than others..lol

trisher Wed 22-Jun-16 13:30:28

"the man gets to see the kids once a while" mostly by choice ethelbags1 and often because they have a new partner and may even start a new family. Don't feel sorry for them. The best men insist on staying in contact with their children no matter what happens, those who don't put their own needs before their children's.

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 13:46:05

What annoys me is when people criticise others for being "joined at the hip". What business is it of anyone else other than the couple involved. They are not preaching their lifestyle or doing any harm what so ever. My wife and i share a large part of our lives together, for us, that's why we married each other and the way we wish to spend our days together. our choice, no on else's business.

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 13:49:06

I am going to buy a pair of dance shoes this afternoon, Mrs P wants to come with me, and I will enjoy her company. Might cost me a pair of ladies dance shoes, but I'll risk that.

Tizliz Wed 22-Jun-16 16:39:22

I think you would probably say that my OH and I are joined at the hip. I don't have my own car, we share one. I don't really have any close friends and I am not one for going out much prefer peace and quiet at home. We work together. But we don't have matching jumpers

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 17:19:27

Didn't cost me any shoes (yet) but I was sitting outside the changing room in Matalan, and I was asked my opinion (luckily I could read her mind and knew the right answers, yes, no,no)

etheltbags1 Wed 22-Jun-16 19:13:36

The danger of being 'joined at the hip' as I said, is that when one dies (or divorce happens) then the one left is so lonely, if you have friends and a life of your own then you can get on and start again. I have seen many couples whom I could not imagine coping alone. Equally I see many who have a balanced life, still, friends with their partners but who go out with others and have hobbies. What can be wrong with that.
Im speaking from experience, my late husband and I had separate jobs, hobbies and friends and when he died, although I missed him, I made a new life very quickly.

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 19:24:33

I have no problem with the opinion that not having separate lives could be difficult when one dies, but to say that you could not abide it, indicates that you find it disgusting and that is objectionable.

Yes, I am sure either one of us would be devastated when we are parted, but I would expect no less after over 50 years of love for each other. Many of our interests that we share could continue alone, we are heavily involved with the U3A in three villages and never have enough days in the week to do everything we want to. We do go out separately several time a week. My Ukulele night is just me, but Mrs P comes to most of our gigs and enjoys being part of it.

etheltbags1 Wed 22-Jun-16 19:45:55

I like men really, I just coud'nt manage a whole one.

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 19:56:54

LOL

Jalima Wed 22-Jun-16 20:29:18

TizLiz you're not Howard and Hilda then grin

etheltbags grin

I really hate it when men are walking around M&S lingerie department with their wives, closing inspecting everything and giving their approval or disapproval.

Jalima Wed 22-Jun-16 20:30:53

I mean... who drinks Coke anyway
not me, it is vile stuff
DH doesn't drink it either though - oh dear, we must have similar taste

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 20:47:44

Jalima, Surly women buy lingerie to please men, look sexy and inviting, so it's only sensible for us to give our approval.

Jalima Wed 22-Jun-16 20:54:14

B******
grin

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 21:00:48

I help Mrs P by getting all the lingerie catalogues I can, I find the Ann Summers one particularly good.

Greyduster Wed 22-Jun-16 21:31:47

That'll have John Norris beat hands down then, GandTea!

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 21:34:23

Oh I don't know green wellies with a basque could do it for me. grin

Jalima Wed 22-Jun-16 21:35:11

I do have some green wellies, but as for the rest, forget it grin

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 21:36:34

No problem. I'll settle for just the green wellies.

janeayressister Wed 22-Jun-16 21:42:10

NanaandGrampy sorry but you do come over as a bit perfecto. GandTea you are taking the P*
I have also been married for over 40 years and although my husband was far from being clueless in his job,( he being a highly paid Professional) , I still think he is clueless when it comes to being emotionally intelligent and perceptive. I don't know anyone who lives in such blissful harmony as NanaandGrampy either. All my friends say their husbands are emotionally clueless.

Jalima Wed 22-Jun-16 21:50:14

janeayresiser I don't think he is (G&Tea that is grin)

Lullydully* have you watched Peppa Pig? Daddy Pig is an absolute numpty (apparently) - Peppa is always deriding him. And George is always crying.

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 21:52:42

Are you taking the P.... Depends on which post you are talking about. If you mean the last couple or so, of course it's a wind up.
If you mean the one, Wed 22-Jun-16 19:24:33, then I was deadly serious.
Mrs P may think me emotionally clueless, but I do try.

NanaandGrampy Wed 22-Jun-16 21:53:49

Nothing perfect about my life Janey but as you are basing your assumption on just a couple of paragraphs I can see why you might think that.

It's taken us 40 years to get to this place. But don't be misled we have had ups and downs but worked through it . I stand by my comments though , I've obviously got 'the one' smile .

He doesn't always get it right but then neither do I. He's still far from emotionally clueless. I obviously trained him well.

I don't believe you can generalise.

GandTea Wed 22-Jun-16 21:55:06

NanaandGrampy Good on yer ! Live & love long.