thatbags it's easy to give or take offence through the medium of email because there's no tone of voice or facial expression to soften what can come across as harsh, cold text. I try not to judge people although I suspect we all do it, albeit privately, unless we are plaster saints! ? You're right that I do believe we are lumped together into an invisible group of retired people if we're over a certain age and it's very frustrating. Perhaps that comes across as negativity. It is a real hobbyhorse of mine so perhaps I should stable it for a good rest and be cheerful ? I do believe though, that the so called 'grey pound' and 'grey vote' could be incredibly powerful if we got together to wield it!