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obieone Mon 25-Apr-16 06:46:17

This subject has come up again on another thread.

What is wrong with little Englander? Or big Englander. Or little Welsher. Or big Welsher? Or little Scotlander? Or big scotlander. Or little Northern Irelander? Or big Northere Irelander? Or little Rep of Irelander? Or big Republic of Irelander?

Or little any other nation on earth? Or big any other nation on earth?

grumppa Thu 28-Apr-16 20:02:35

Fair point, gj. Having been involved in trilingual conversations at times, I understand where you are coming from. So it could have been coincidence that languages were switched just when an English party arrived at this mythical pub in Anglesey.

Actually, I have every sympathy with people who switch languages at times for a bit of privacy. But it's dangerous to generalise on what's overheard in pubs.

Anniebach Thu 28-Apr-16 20:06:25

Ana, I wouldn't expect to be called Bach by you, it means small, as I am 5'7 you would sound rather silly calling me Bach would you not?

Anniebach Thu 28-Apr-16 20:08:11

You are over doing the flattery Ana

Jalima Thu 28-Apr-16 20:10:49

grumppa the one I mentioned was in Mid-Wales and they were all speaking Welsh, not switching over from English.
They were rude about the English and did not realise a Welsh speaker was with his English family.
Oh dear - but he was very nice to them and said he had enjoyed their chat etc etc

BBbevan Thu 28-Apr-16 20:11:24

^Jalima* in the past there was bullying with The Welsh Not for example.People have long memories.

Ana Thu 28-Apr-16 20:11:59

I know what 'bach' means Annie. It can also be used as a term of endearment, which would hardly be appropriate! grin

BBbevan Thu 28-Apr-16 20:13:27

Big Cwtch girlsgrin

grumppa Thu 28-Apr-16 20:14:06

I can't get my head round Annie without the bach. Anniefawr would be a challenge!

Jalima Thu 28-Apr-16 20:14:27

I do know, I knew an old lady who said she had to wear the dunce's cap and sit in the corner for speaking Welsh in school in South Wales, that would have been over 70 years ago.

Anniebach Thu 28-Apr-16 20:14:37

To my knowledge the only time there was bullying of children for speaking Welsh was a long time ago. My Grampa when in school, a small child at the time Welsh became forbidden in school - orders from London - had the problem of parents who couldn't speak English , like all children in Anglesey at that time, but was hit with a stick in school if he spoke welsh .

Jalima Thu 28-Apr-16 20:15:46

Big Cwtch girls
Don't overdo it shock

Jalima Thu 28-Apr-16 20:16:39

It would have been the same time probably

granjura Thu 28-Apr-16 20:18:07

I wouldn't say 'coïncidence' - consciously or unconsciuously, it made sense to the group, for the group to do so ...for whatever reason.

I remember some of our billingual kids at school who suddenly refused to speak Bengali or Pakistani with their parents- who were very upset about it. The cause was usually the bullying and teasing/mocking, from other children. I could well imagine that some Welsh kids may well have been made to feel like second-class, or from the title of the OP 'Little Welshers' by some of the more affluent, better educated, etc, English new arrivals. Perhaps?

But we digress- this thread is about the concept of 'Little England/er' - and perhaps we should return to it. Or have we gone round teh block twice already?

granjura Thu 28-Apr-16 20:21:17

Happened all over the world at some point- and thank goodness people have realised how wrong that was- the forceful and at times brutal repression of local languages or dialects. Happened in SW France with Catalan- kids were beaten if they did. All over the world- English was beaten into the brains of kids as being 'superior' and of true value (same for French in French colonies)...

Anniebach Thu 28-Apr-16 20:21:33

No Ana, it is not a term of endearment, it means small, Cariad is the most popular word of endearment

Grumppa, Anniebach is my nickname in my family, started by my Grampa when I was a tot, Annie is taken from the second half of my Christian name , so I was little Annie , it caught on in the family , just I kept growing grin

Ana Thu 28-Apr-16 20:23:21

If you say so, Annie, but round here it is used as a term of endearment. smile

Anniebach Thu 28-Apr-16 20:24:27

I expect so Jalima, hope your grandchildren enjoy learning Welsh , great language to swear in smile

Ana Thu 28-Apr-16 20:25:31

www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bach

Jalima Thu 28-Apr-16 20:26:28

I don't think they know any swear words yet (at least I hope not!) , they are still little!!

Ana Thu 28-Apr-16 20:31:01

One of my work colleagues used to preface a lot of her moans/complaints with 'Iesu Mawr' - it seemed to be the strongest epithet she could muster!

granjura Thu 28-Apr-16 20:37:17

Bach = stream in German- lovely. Or it could be scouse for 'back' ;)

Anniebach Thu 28-Apr-16 20:50:07

Stream, that's pretty

grumppa Thu 28-Apr-16 20:50:47

Well I daren't call you Anniecariad, anniebach!

[Retires humming Myfanwy.]

BBbevan Thu 28-Apr-16 20:53:57

Nant y mynydd , first poem I ever learned.

Anniebach Thu 28-Apr-16 21:03:31

grumppa, so sorry but not Myfanwy , it was my childhood lullaby and will be played at my funeral

Try this one , have to translate

Victorious, Victorious, 12 bottles of beer between the four of us , thanks be to God there are no more of us cause one os us could drink the bloody lot, stopper and all