Down to earth with a bump!!

Bags I think we're talking about two different things. The young people I know personally, are fine. It's the young people I meet who differ greatly in their attitude.

These are mainly young people in service industries I supppose.

I always accept a seat if offered, usually by a "foreigner". It encourages good manners!

I was startled to see on a vial of decongestant that the dosage for Adults and "*the Elderly*" was... and was subsequently told that "the elderly" were those past 65! Does that stop us from being adults, I wonder?

I'm convinced age is a state of mind. On days when you may feel tired, ill or depressed - yes they do occur, then you feel old and decrepit. On days when the sun's shining and the birds are singing, you can feel much more proactive about life, you regain your 'get up and go' and after a session on your ipad you forget your age and infirmities.

Declining taking a seat when it is offered, however sheepishly, is not the way to encourage future action from this passenger.

A great anecdote Maywalk
Anya, agree with your post as to being positive about life, and not only an interest in new things, but having as sunny an outlook as possible, and a sense of humour, goes a long way as well.I'm guessing we all know one or two ' old miseries' that we try and avoid.I know at least two, and they were 'young miseries' in their time.whilst realising we are getting older, having a positive mental outlook, not always looking for the worst in either a person or a scenario, not only keeps us younger, but maybe gets us more friends as well.

My husband used to introduce his brother, 4 years his senior, as his father . When they were talking that is. People always believed him!

I had a seat on an airport shuttle bus recently; I was the oldest seated passenger by far (a very youthful 67!). A woman carrying a large sleeping baby and 2 bags arrived, so I immediately jumped up and gave her my seat, for which she was very grateful. All the others shuffled nervously and one then sheepishly offered me his seat - which I was delighted to decline. Tables turned

I have yet to meet such dismissive young people. This has nothing to do with my age but with the younger people I know who are not so shallow as people on here seem to assume young people are towards people older than them. That assumption is based on ageism by older people against young people.

I don't believe I'm the only gran on here who knows pleasant, non-ageist younger folks and who doesn't know ageist, dismissive young folks.

I was over 70 when I started using a computer and it has opened up a new world for me. I keep up with distant family, old neighbours and friends I don't see now due to distance, ill health etc. Since DH's problems it has almost become a lifeline. I bought myself an i-Pad as a x..s present to me last year and set it up and on Tues I set up a Hudl for a neighbour who is only 74!! Use it or lose it is a good motto.

Maywalk that's the ticket! Keep interested and up to date.

My late MiL was a prime example of someone who wouldn't. She'd pour scorn on new inventions, refuse even to try a computer or have a mobile. The Internet was the devil.

A right miserable old body.

Compare her with my ex-next door neighbour, who was several years older. When she wanted a new heater I showed her how she could view them on line, read the reviews, order and pay. She was delighted and full of enthusiasm. So much so that when her heater arrived within 24 hours she had me go on line and order her a laptop of her own and get her set up with an Internet link.

We're still in touch by phone and email! She recently celebrate tend her 93rd birthday. The MiL died.

I'm not saying there's a causal link but it does seem as though those with a positive outlook and a strong 'can do' gene do better in old age.

My dd arrived home from school on my 30th birthday and proudly told me that she had written in her 'news book' that I was 29. When I told her I was actually 30, she admitted that she knew that, but that it sounded very old.

At 83 years of age I had a pacemaker put in to help with the seizures that I had started with at the age of 80. Unfortunately my lung was pierced when putting the pacemaker in so I had to stay in the hospital for a week in a room on my own. The first night I was out of it completely and I could not even remember my family coming. The second day I was back in this world but bored to ruddy tears because there was nothing to do in there only read and the books were not to my liking. When my lovely d-i-l came to see me later in the day she brought my I-pad. She had to pay £10 at the hospital for me to use it but it helped me get through the remainder of the week. I have explain all this because on the day before I was told I could go home I sat up in bed with my I-pad sending e-mails and keeping in touch with many from around the world through my website.
The doctor and the consultant came in and to see the looks on their faces because I had an I-pad in my hand was hilarious. To crown it all the consultant said to me "What are you doing?" I said "What does one usually do wth an I-pad?" He then said " Do you know how to use one?" It was my turn to look at him goggle eyed.
I said "If I didn't Gawd alone knows where my e-mails had finished up with folks coming to me through my website" He practically fainted because he said "YOU HAVE A WEBSITE? "
Me " Yes just because I had turned 83 did not mean to say I had lost my marbles and was TOO old to know how to work one".
I had to laugh when he said "Wait till I get home to tell my family that I had been talking to an elderly technical whizz kid and before I go I want the website address."
I am 85 now and still going.

bags", with respect, while I know you're not as old as some of us, oerhaps you are of sufficiently lived years to not see 'nothing beyond' an older face. Or perhaps you are precocious.

Many young people do not see beyond. Not all. In truth it is those youngste r people who do see us as people, they way they look at us, interact with is and talk to us, that emphasises how the majority just don't see us.

We can tell.

Take any comments based on age with a pinch of salt, either an insult or a compliment, but take the free things that come with age with open arms, concessions are great!

flutt did you actually tell the young lad to 'piss off' or just think it? I almost hope you actually said it .

You certainly made me laugh.

too

Why do you assume that someone who sees an old person sees only that and nothing beyond? I don't when I look at (and engage with) old people.

I think that assumption is ageist too. And I think the ageism so many seem to be feeling is based on fear, fear of being to old to cope. It's a natural fear and I reckon many people must feel it at some point in their lives.

Why, thatbags? It means people are looking at me and seeing nothing but An Old Person who is obviously Past It. They don't see A Person. How do they know i'm not a yoga expert or an ex professional dancer? Same thing applies in a way to racism. This is a Black Person, not A Person.

nfkDumpling, I have no problem with people giving me a seat on the tube, but then it's a question of need - I will look uncomfortable just as a pregnant woman or a person with a stick would - common courtesy. Retired discounts - hmmm - a bit cheeky but nice!

I supposed it's a compliment then Kitty that you weren't seen as being old.

I don't get that anymore - I am that old lady!!

I rarely think about my age and I think that's why it's a shock when someone else 'comments' about it. The person who mentioned my exSil obviously didn't see me as being of a similar age or she wouldn't have said it but, nevertheless, she saw her as an old lady then and I am now six years older.

i worry that other people are now starting to see me as old and make allowances for my being old. Automatically giving me retired discounts without asking, helping me with doors and bags. Being nice! My body is obviously showing it's age, it's letting me down. I'm not ready to be old yet!

Why?

Nobody seems to mind if anyone thinks them younger than they are. That, to me, is ageism, not all this perfectly natural stuff that people make a fuss about or joke about. For example, I think that people in their nineties who object to being thought old are either joking or senile. Whenever I've heard that kind of thing it has been a joke.

I suppose what I mean is that it's OK for me to say I'm old, but not OK for other people.

I have recently started to go to the local old folks' centre "but only as a volunteer to help the old people there". I don't mind being how I am and flaunt my hearing aids where possible - why are aids so taboo when glasses aren't?

I do get fed up w ageism sometimes. I squat a lot to do the weeding and was doing so getting some stuff out of the bottom drawer of a filing cabinet when someone who was about 30 yrs younger said in amazement "Wow, I can't do that!" - sub text, hell you look far too old to be able to do that. The same with a chat about the Christmas party that had happened the day before. Young lad says as if talking to a child, "So I bet you were up there dancing on the table!" Piss off.

That is nothing. When I was a newly qualified teacher, early twenties, I was teaching about the stone age. One of the children looked at me and asked'

"Did you used to live in a cave Miss?"

Not impressed..