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12Michael Wed 26-Aug-15 07:48:59

Just seen the latest proposal of that possible Labour leader he wants women only carriages n trains, some of his ideas are stupid hope he does not win, because things like renationalisation of rail etc costs money, to pay for most of his ideas in his world , it would increase the basic rate of Income Tax to 35%.

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 11:35:27

trisher it's a carefully cultivated image, and I hope if JC bought a suit it would be a British made one, as much of Savile row has been bought up by foreign investors.

Underneath that 'man- of- the-people' exterior Jeremy is quite posh.
(If not an aristocratic then certainly posher than most of us, me anyway).

Let's hope the vest wasn't made in a sweatshop by slave labour.

Eloethan Sat 29-Aug-15 11:36:34

And having Saville Row hand made suits makes you a more intelligent, trustworthy and decent person does it?

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 11:42:53

Ps do you mean like the suits that Tony B, Gordon, Ed Balls, Lord Mandelson, Lord Prescott et al wore and wear still?

Of course you're right! Wearing suits didn't mean they had a grasp of economics.

trisher Sat 29-Aug-15 11:45:21

There is a difference between a "carefully cultivated image" and a makeover by spin doctors. The former still stems from the honest beliefs of the person, the latter means someone is trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Come to think of it most of us probably cultivate an image. I certainly dress to give certain ideas about me. Posh people can be socialists-Tony Benn for example. Don't care where he came from, where he wants to go is what counts.

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 11:45:46

Nothing wrong with a suit from M&S or wherever, provided it is made in Britain of course, or at least not in a sweatshop.

Anniebach Sat 29-Aug-15 11:56:17

Posh? He went to a grammer school and a polytechnic, his father was an engineer, his mother a maths teacher , just a middle class family with brains

rosesarered Sat 29-Aug-15 14:17:49

Wearing a vest underneath a shirt ( and the vest shows) on someome like an
MP is a statement, just as much as anything else.It shows he is aligning himself with ' the common man' ( Rab C Nesbitt?) It's the same as Wilson and his pipe and raised pint of bitter.

rosesarered Sat 29-Aug-15 14:18:49

If he does become leader, will we see a change in his dress sense?

POGS Sat 29-Aug-15 14:21:34

'Don't care where he came from, it's where he's going that counts'.

Pity that sensible remark doesn't apply across the board .

I would like a 1£ for every time I read a vitriolic comment that uses inverted snobbery to make my point.

As for Corbyn on PFI I agree with him Labour should apologise. I also agree with Sadiq Khan who stated 'It really was our mess'. (Mind you Khan is like flip flop Burnham, change their view to fit with an interview or where they think they will give a sound bite to make them look good).

It wasn't PFI necessarily that causes the problem it was the signed off contracts Labour allowed to go through with total disregard to costings, we all know the horror stories of £100 to change a light bulb scenarios. In other words profligate spending.

I know and fully expect to read a retort to this but here goes. Corbyn said it's like 'Buying your house on a credit card' , that's how I feel about PQE to be honest. I note he also said it is a "proposal' so like the 'consultation' on female only carriages it may come to nothing anyway.

durhamjen Sat 29-Aug-15 14:33:39

You always bring up about Labour and PFI.
If it's such anathema to Tories, why did they start it, and why is Osborne continuing it, having signed 71 new PFI contracts in the first two years of the coalition government?

durhamjen Sat 29-Aug-15 14:41:03

"In Britain the split loyalties of the major political parties have created a hybrid system of public provision. If it left public services intact, the party in power would be roasted by the corporate media, but if it attempted full-scale privatisation, it would be booted out of office. So the last Conservative government devised a plan that would keep both sides if not exactly happy, then at least totally bewildered. They called it the private finance initiative, or PFI. Corporations would build and run our schools, hospitals, roads and prisons, and rent them to the state. This, the Tories maintained, would enable costs to be cut, while ensuring that public services remained free of charge.

At first Labour opposed this scheme. Alistair Darling warned in opposition that "apparent savings now could be countered by the formidable commitment on revenue expenditure in years to come". But as the 1997 election approached, Labour sought to prove that it was more sympathetic to business than the Tories were. Two months after the party took office, the health secretary, Alan Milburn, announced that "when there is a limited amount of public-sector capital available, as there is, it's PFI or bust". From then on, the only money the NHS could rely on for capital projects belonged to the private sector."

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 15:31:42

I think his family is posher than the average, anniebach
This was where he grew up:
www.shropshirestar.com/news/2015/08/25/jeremy-corbyn-had-country-bumpkin-childhood-in-shropshire-manor

The sort of childhood most of us could only dream of ( or read of in Enid Blyton books)

I did think that Adams Haberdashers' school was fee paying but I could be wrong.
It always seemed posh to me (I grew up not far from there) - and I went to a grammar school!

Anyway, it is what he is now and what he believes in that is important. However, that is all a product of his life so far.

Gracesgran Sat 29-Aug-15 15:35:38

Good quote Jen.

Anya Sat 29-Aug-15 15:37:38

A JC moment

This much is true, that I cannot deny.

POGS Sat 29-Aug-15 15:52:02

DJ

'You always bring up Labour and PFI'

What the hell are talking about. If it is relevant to the thread of course I will.

YOU brought up the subject of Labour and PFI in your posts of Thursday 27th 11.06 and 13.42.

Like another poster who showed a slight upset at having a link they put forward debated/discussed/spoken of/challenged. I will say this. If you provide a link then expect it to be mentioned on a thread. If you don't want it spoken of simply stop posting links.

whitewave Sat 29-Aug-15 16:02:17

I somehow feel that JCs sartorial choice is as much to do with his aim at inclusiveness as much as anything else. Saville Row would only relate to a tiny portion of the population, but woollies etc most people can relate to.

I am hoping that much of the policy will be developed as a result of consultation etc. Not easy but democratic

durhamjen Sat 29-Aug-15 16:09:05

How do you suggest the problem of PFI, which was started by Major, continued with New Labour, but opposed by Corbyn then, and is still being used by Osborne, is solved if not by PQE, or do you think it should continue?

Not every council can do what Northumberland did and buy back PFI because the government is cutting council funding.

You criticise Labour PFI, and criticise PQE. What is your solution?

Anya Sat 29-Aug-15 16:12:08

Does that mean you read my link WW smile

(Warm and fuzzy feeling inside)

Gracesgran Sat 29-Aug-15 16:28:42

Anya I posted the same link this morning. Don't get too warm and fuzzy wink

Gracesgran Sat 29-Aug-15 16:35:09

Sat 29-Aug-15 10:09:41 on Labour Leadership Watch Anya.

durhamjen Wed 02-Sept-15 23:02:32

Here's an interesting article.
Standard and Poor think PQE will create lots of money.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/09/02/standard-poors-say-the-pqe-could-pay-a-250-return/

soontobe Thu 03-Sept-15 00:23:41

The reputation of standard and poor is not good. They misled investors in Australia and lost their appeal.

thatbags Thu 03-Sept-15 08:16:46

I love it when a poster comes in all calm and collected, soon, and "squishes" an idea just like that [amused]

soontobe Thu 03-Sept-15 09:21:25

Good, innit!

If durhamjen thinks something is a good idea, it normally alerts me that it isnt.

Standard and Poor thought credit default swaps were a good idea. They have been found to be a very bad one. Very bad.

rosequartz Thu 03-Sept-15 15:00:01

lol (not at those who lost money, you understand!)