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Does money have any worth?

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PRINTMISS Mon 22-Jun-15 16:15:14

Keep hearing about the billions owed by Greece, and the amount of this country's debt, I am beginning to wonder if any of this will ever be repaid? We once talked in hundreds, then thousands (when my husband eventually started earning £1000 a year we were made!) then millions, and now billions, how long before it becomes trillions? There will I realise always be the rich and the poor, and very often a chasm between the two, but is it realistic to expect the poorer countries to ever repay the sums loaned?

Eleanorre Wed 24-Jun-15 09:55:24

I just checked my stash of Euro notes and have one Greek one .The long number on the back starts with a Y . Might just keep it in case it is rare some day , or maybe spend it as soon a possible .

FlicketyB Wed 24-Jun-15 14:57:19

The Greeks, government and people, got themselves into this mess and the EU made it worse by letting them fiddle the figures to join the euro. It is up to the Greek people and the EU to work out how to get themselves out of it.

For decades the Greek economy has been a byword for bad management. The government has met any unrest in their country by granting everyone huge pensions from as young as 50, and many other benefis they could not afford and didn't have the money for. Greece also has a grossly inflated bureaucracy. For example, most towns have their own civic orchestra. This means all the musicians like everybody else are civil servants in unsackable lifetime jobs with pensions at 50. The Greeks, like the Italians are notrious for avoiding paying taxes at all costs.

The EU then connived in distorting and ignoring all the contra indications in order to let Greece in on the Euro. Britain had the sense to stay out.

The EU and banks need to talk directly to the people not the Greek government and spell out in words of one syllable why the country is in the mess it is in. Make the people understand their personal responsibilty for what is happening to the country. Make the bail-out conditional on them paying their taxes and rawing pensions at the same age as other countries and at similar levels, which would be no state pension until you are 65 and occupational untilyou are 60.

I do not want to see people starving in the streets as they are now and systems must be set up to protect children in particular.

Some countries, like many of those in Africa, get into financial messes as the result of bribery and curruption at government level, because their economies are over dependent on one commodity and because of the lack of real democratic accountability. Greece has none of those excuses, it is a democratic country. The country, government and people, got themselves into miss mess, the Euro countries in the EU connived at it. Let them sort it out.

FlicketyB Wed 24-Jun-15 14:58:27

Sorry about the typos in posting.

durhamjen Wed 24-Jun-15 20:40:13

How can they do that, Flickety?
Pension ages and levels are different in all EU countries.

Ana Wed 24-Jun-15 20:46:42

Good post FlicketyB.

FlicketyB Wed 24-Jun-15 21:03:13

The Greek government can set the pension age any age they like, it just takes legislation. Pension ages are not uniform across Europe but in most countries they are going up. Greece has just got to opt for an age like 65 and do it.