This made me CROSS (shouty capitals)

I haven't seen any evidence of 'hysterical panic' on here, trisher, but I do find the idea that ISIS might be our closest ally (in what?) ludicrous.

Germans dis after the war- indeed. However I do think this situation is quite different, to be fair.

I think it would be wrong to paint a picture of the USA as full of gun-toting, blacks-hating white supremacists.

Granjura I think your comment Actually, in the Southern States, White Christians treat Black Christians as heavens and trass- so perhaps even worse (sic) is quite a unjustified generalisation, and should actually be deleted from this thread on the grounds of inaccuracy, and incitement to hatred.

Many Americans hate the racism endemic in their country and want the gun laws abolished too.

Here is some balance.
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/06/19/read-jon-stewarts-blistering-monologue-about-race-terrorism-and-gun-violence-after-charleston-church-massacre/
Granjura Please note: Jon Stewart is AMERICAN.

trisher, what is it you like about ISIS?

Why is this thread degenerating?
And granjura can you explain what you mean by heavens and trass, I am assuming your spellchecker has run away with itself.

Jane I saw Jon Stewart show too- he is fantastic. And I think he is saying just that, that this is a racist crime- he talks about the Confederate flag flying in Southern States, the roads being named after Confederate Generals, etc. There is still a huge difference in attitude from the North to the South- with Virginia being just north of that line. We have many friends there, who teach and analyse politics at the highest level- and we have often discussed the still pervading views of white spuprmacist confederate views in the deep South.

Do read 'Mudbound' if you get a chance. Many Americans do decry white supremacy, but in the deep South, there is still a significant % of people who still support those views. Jon says just that, if you listen to him again.

This is not in any way inciting hatred, but a Forum discussion on the other side of the world, which is saying that a lot of hate crime has nothing to do with Islam, or the misrepresentation of Islam.

Germans dis after the war

What have I missed- what was the reference to Germany about too?

Both the weiko siege and the Oklahoma bombings were in the U.S. (obviously) where we know there exists a lot of mentally unbalanced freaks. Those freaks are as likely to pin their colours to a religion as anything else. Nothing to do with true Christianity. Stop clutching at straws.

I do not use a spell checker, type fast, and am not a native English speaker- I am sure you understood what I meant ;)

This thread is not 'degenerating' - I am saying there are parralels with other situations in other parts of the world, not linked to Islam. Some disagree. That's ok.

For God's sake granjura and others stay in the present. Stop going back over ancient history. Do you live your lives in the past, or are you trying to show your extensive knowledge to the world. You impress no one. It is boring.

A massive FBI cock-up contributed to the Waco catastrophe – not the first example and it won't be the last. The parallel with IS is very faint.

Btw It was only a few hundred years ago when the Moorish invasion was less than 100 miles from Paris.

Germans were Jerries, that had to be killed, civilians and all, young and old, children- bombed out of oblivion. They became our closest allies a few years later (as another poster mentioned earlier).

trisher would you really want to see this country to IS? God help us if that day arrives.

allied to

God only knows how the Germans got onto this thread.

No granjura I flipping well didn't!!
heavens and trass
what?
germans dis
What ? again, I thought you might have had the courtesy to say what on earth you are talking about.

granjura, you seem determined to use this thread to air your own prejudices yet accuse everyone else of having them!

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Frt.com%2Fop-edge%2F213863-qatar-terrorism-funding-west%2F&ei=AdKFVdDSHOOr7Ab444OoDw&usg=AFQjCNErn3i8zF5RJzBDAYls8WPZajtiPw&bvm=bv.96339352,d.ZGU&cad=rja

Can you still not see any link between the US, the UK, Qatar and ISIS?

My comment was following Trishers:

'Now it's ISIS, forgive me if I don't join in the hysterical panic about them, for all I know tomorrow they might be our closest allies.'

hence the jerries- who did become our closest allies soon after in Europe.

Heathens and trash - I thought you would guess, despite my spelling mistakes, in the context given.

Jingl- the whole point of my comments is that it is not about the past, in the deep South of the USA, but very much about the present- as explained by Jon in his show, and so many others too. This is the current, present, and tragic situation NOW, for a significant % of the population there.

Prejudice against whom Ana? The White Supremacists who still think it is ok to treat blacks like trash and the lowest of the low? In which case, hand up, I confess and agree, and am proud of it.

Well of course we all know there is still racial bigotry in the Southern States of America. It runs very deep. What has that got to with the price of fish though? We know America is a sick society in several ways.

Yes, now we're being accused of being oblivious to conditions in other countries, just because some of us are worried about the situation in our own.

I do wish some of you would get off your pedestals and confront the real world!

We are concerned about the real world. The whole of it, not just the tiny bit of it that some on here seem concerned about.

We've all read The Help.

Ok. So what is your immediate plan durhamjen. (To help the whole world with its troubles)