Why not just be a humanist?

The bible was written in its time.
It would have been very odd if Jesus came when he did, and acted as if he was in the 21st Century!

BigGranny - A Ferenghi in Star-Trek many years ago was appalled at the way Earthmen treated their women "You allow your females to WEAR CLOTHES?"

Apparently from today women are working for free, as their pay on average is only 80% of the equivalent man's pay.
Time to strike?

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Holy Jesus.

To those of you who are feminists or humanists should now click the back button and choose another topic to read...this is for progressive minded people who see males being superior to females and want to help shape human civilization into something new and masculine.

How are men better, you ask?

1. Men handle their finances better. Women are to blame for the world's financial crisis, and so enslaving women would eliminate debt and bring fix the economy.

2. Men are smarter, therefore, women are not worthy of freedom.

3. Women are the cause of unemployment. Making them serve men alone and not allow them to work would completely diminish the unemployment crisis in the US of A.

4. Men have muscles, women are weak and so don't deserve to be considered humans.

To be perfectly honest punishing women who commit domestic/make disparaging sexist remarks, abuse is not enough, and will not be enough until every woman who doesn't live up to her boyfriend's or husband's expectations, hewould be within his right to have her euthanized. Before that can happen though we need to change our attitudes about the value of women, and a complete redefinition on ethical standards.

If we ever want anything that resembles a utopian society, we need to domesticate the heterosexual female. We must reeducate the entire Earthling populace that hetero-females must be regarded as pets, they shouldn't be abused (they would have the same rights afforded to animal pets, like dogs and cats) but they should not have the amount of rights as humans do.

There are plenty of women who would agree with me. They're called "beta-females", though I do believe that most women do have an instinctual need to serve men, and those who claim not to have been brainwashed by pre-conceived notions and constraints based on societal expectations.

Women are responsible for all the worlds problems and bloodshed. I believe us men shall enslave their race in the future and make them our pets, treat them like dirt, and use them only to pleasure and serve us.

Anyone think as I do?

According to the girl, Miliband was the only man in a suit who gave her anything, so she thought he was kind and would vote for him if she could.

Or rather, 'the link', as it was the same one.

Quite! Which is the point made in the links posted by me and rosequartz!

Agree, durhamjen! The women who made the t shirts are the people about whom we should be thinking, not any of our publicity seeking MPs (of all parties)

To be scrupulously fair, POGS I think it was reported in the press today that in fact Miliband had put about 70p into the tin. Not as much as the sausage cost him!

"I doubt that many men are first in line for staying home for the washing machine repair man either."
No, we have to repair it when we get home from work ! Along with maintaining the car, mower etc. We all have our place.

I thought he would be told off for giving money to beggars, as we're always told not to by the police. Where was his guardian?

I read that Miliband put at least a couple of quid in the tin.

Shouldn't we be just as upset that the average monthly wage in Mauritius is only £480?

I posted the link because GN is very fond of Tory-bashing, but very rarely raises any matters which show other parties (apart from UKIP, of course!) in an unfavourable light.

There have been several threads about the state of the NHS, but no mention of the mess the Labour-led Welsh government has made of it in Wales, despite it being headline news in the past few weeks.

Ah, I wondered when 'The T Shirt' would rear it's head.

The problem is before the mention of sweat shop workers came into it the story was either about David Cameron not wearing it or Harman wearing it at Prime Ministers Questions.

The only point to the t.shirt is the promotion of feminism but in both of those instances it failed miserably .

On David Cameron I watched a spokeswoman being interviewed and she was absolutely scathing of his not submitting to her will and she made wild accusations with an attitude that sadly is all too common with 'some' in the sister hood.

Harman took full advantage of her position to fly against the status quo on dress code in parliament and she got away with it, unlike Caroline Lucas who was told by the Speaker to cover her t.shirt up whilst doing the same a few weeks ago.

Neither woman came out of it with any credibility in my opinion, just two women who were doing more harm than good by their actions and attitude whilst trying to promote the need for women to be taken more seriously.

I fully understand the issues with the sexes but ye gods do some woman have to mismanage the reasoned debate to be had by being so blinkered and having no grey area.

If the rights of women are to be taken seriously then women must accept that will only happen if women are seen to be able to maturely behave.

As for Miliband and Clegg, well any photo opportunity will do.

Mind you Miliband was caught putting a 2p piece into a street beggers tin . What with that, the t.shirt and the Sun front cover if I was him I would start keeping my head down.

And can you believe people are actually paying £45 for a tee-shirt just to look PC or whatever?

I bet the thought of who actually makes the damn things never crossed what passes for their minds...

Apologies Ana - you posted the link first!

This is what a numpty looks like:

Lucky you, djen. My DH was always 'needed' at work.

Talking about 'feminists', there was a T-shirt for sale for £45 (!) from Whistles which states 'This is what a feminist looks like' and Hattie H, Ed M and Cleggy have been photographed wearing them.
Allegedly they were made in a sweat-shop in Mauritius where the immigrant women get paid 62p an hour, live in barracks and have to sign contracts to stay for 4 years thus not seeing their families for years.

So what does a feminist look like? What does a hypocrite look like?

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/02/fawcett-society-feminist-t-shirts-allegedly-sweatshop-conditions

When I was teaching, if the kids were ill in term time my husband used to take time off work to look after them. He did his fair share.

Some of us have no option...

I doubt that many men are first in line for staying home for the washing machine repair man either.

No, that is what a pair of tits look like

This is what a feminist looks like!

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/02/fawcett-society-feminist-t-shirts-allegedly-sweatshop-conditions

Women can't do the presenteeism unless men are prepared to be present with the children at a moment's notice so that the women can be on call at work at all times, whatever domestic emergencies occur. Until that is seen as normal, there is no equality of employment.