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AlieOxon Sat 04-Oct-14 15:41:02

I just got an email for my singing group - and they want us to sing 'Delilah'!

A song about a MURDER? I don't know quite what to do, as I really don't like this one.

AlieOxon Sun 05-Oct-14 12:34:21

Depending on who sings it and what it does say?

And when it was written, does matter.

'Delilah' came out in 1968 - the 60s, a time when all kinds of rules of conduct were being relaxed, most but not all for the good!
Attitudes to women did change during the 70s.

I am looking for an article I found the other day...may put some of it here.

Nelliemoser Sun 05-Oct-14 13:02:24

I think there is a bit more to "Delilah" than just a song about murder. It does set out the desperation and remorse of the man involved.

I am not condoning it but if we banned everything like this we would have no drama or Opera or anything else.

Macbeth Othello Hamlet. etc etc. Carmen. Tosca Madame Butterfly, A lot of them are all the same tale.

AlieOxon Sun 05-Oct-14 13:25:16

She's STILL dead.
It's a bit too close to the present, isn't it, I think?
Past works are from a different culture so I don't think about them in the same way.

Here's part of the article - note by a man and American

"To be clear, this article does not condone murder. Using the word ‘murder’ in any state, be it past, present, or future tense on your Facebook status will create no amount of issues somewhere down the line so it’s best to never use it. Ever. Or do it, double ever. There is a little-used caveat for artists because they can pretend to do it consequence-free as poetic license.

At one time singers use to be story-tellers, using words to say things that didn’t involve the repetitive use of the word ‘baby’ as song filler. Great songs told stories of love, redemption, war, and with an occasional thought-provoking commentary on religion and civilization. Very few songs were created about the darker things of life.

In today’s world, there are still relatively few songs about murder that make it onto the radio, being such a hot potato of a subject. When it does happen, there’s something about noticing your partner/moody best friend/Mom humming along to a song on the radio about killing a man that makes you really look at them in a new and different (albeit worrisome) light."

HollyDaze Sun 05-Oct-14 14:01:06

I didn't realise Delilah was about a murder (mind you, I was only about 11) and the whole family used to sing along to it at parties! I wonder if they knew?

Then again, I can remember requesting, at a Christmas Dinner & Dance, for the DJ to play Relax (Frankie Goes To Hollywood) as I used to love dancing to that - I didn't know it was referring to sex - and the DJ thanked me, over the mike, for requesting it <blush>

It just goes to show that the meaning of the words of songs don't always sink in.

Lilygran Mon 06-Oct-14 18:39:49

And the Threepeny Opera ( Mackie Messer/Mack the Knife) is based on John Gay's Beggar's Opera, 1728 (or thereabouts). There are lots of echoes of other ballads in Delilah. John Dooley comes to mind. There are three quite prominent themes in traditional ballads which pop up all the time in modern songs: unwanted pregnancy and betrayal, women murdering unfaithful or violent husbands and men murdering unfaithful women. I have no idea what 'Billy Joe' is about! What did they throw off the Tallahatchee Bridge? Why did everything go wrong?

Ana Mon 06-Oct-14 18:52:54

Billy Joe committed suicide by jumping off the Tallahatchie bridge, but we're not told what he and the girl threw off it.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 06-Oct-14 18:59:04

A baby.

Ana Mon 06-Oct-14 19:18:29

That is not in the lyrics, jingl. It did cross my mind, but in a close-knit community like that it would have been pretty hard to hide a pregnancy.

It's hinted that the narrator was actually the girl with him on the bridge, and there's no way her family wouldn't have noticed - unless of course it was an early miscarriage.

(Can't believe we're actually having this discussion! confused)

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 06-Oct-14 19:27:25

No, not in the lyrics. Perhaps they got her an abortion and had to do the disposing themselves. Or, she used the hot bath and loads of whisky method.

That was probably it.

Ana Mon 06-Oct-14 19:28:34

hmm

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 06-Oct-14 19:29:17

I'm just gonna google the lyrics. It's a long time since Jimmy Young was on.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 06-Oct-14 19:29:58

What does that face mean?!

Tegan Mon 06-Oct-14 19:44:34

I think the writer admitted that they didn't really know what was thrown off the bridge.

Ana Mon 06-Oct-14 19:46:26

That face meant YUK!

Ana Mon 06-Oct-14 19:47:15

The thought of it...

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 06-Oct-14 19:48:55

Yes. But I can't understand why he said that. It's obvious what it was. Perhaps they got some flack over it.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 06-Oct-14 19:53:08

No. This one means yuk

Tegan Mon 06-Oct-14 19:58:15

A few years ago I heard a really catchy song on the radio. I went to the record part of the supermarket and tried to explain how it sounded to the young lad serving. This is the video of that song
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k
.....please don't watch it if you are of a sensitive disposition [there's an even worse video of it]. Can you imagine how I felt when he put it on to play and I started listening to the lyrics blushblushblush; I'm blushing now just thinking about it......shock....

Tegan Mon 06-Oct-14 19:58:40

......it is a very catchy song, though.....

Maggiemaybe Mon 06-Oct-14 21:00:06

Tegan! shock grin

AlieOxon Wed 29-Oct-14 18:28:27

Back to 'Delilah'.
I just did a bit of direct action. I walked out of this afternoon's session of my singing group.
I'd been told by two of the members yesterday that they weren't going to sing it again, people hadn't liked it....so I happily went along, only to be told by the leader that, yes it was still on. so I told him I was going, and went.
I told our accompanist as I was leaving why I was going, and she, bless her, was the only person to realise that I was really upset. She took me out and I explained, and this did help.
I just cannot and will not sing or listen to it.

Mishap Wed 29-Oct-14 19:27:00

Just looked at the lyrics - the whole song has always washed by me up to now. They are distasteful and I certainly would not choose this for the community choir that I run.

Having said that they did many years ago sing Frankie and Johnny and enjoyed it. It was an excellent arrangement and lent itself to a dramatic rendition which has an element of humour in it. I saw it as being a bit tongue-in-cheek.

Philosophical question here: could I take Frankie and Johnny because it was the other way round from Delilah?

AlieOxon Wed 29-Oct-14 19:41:01

I have been wondering the same thing. Would I sing 'Miss Otis regrets'?
(Cole Porter).
Element of humour here too. But I decided, it's still a murder story.
So probably not.
New question - would I feel different if it had been written by a woman...?

Eloethan Thu 30-Oct-14 16:09:40

The ones I particularly enjoyed singing in my choir were:

California Dreaming
Lovely Day
The House of the Rising Sun (a bit of a gloomy I admit, by can be quite dramatic and very choir-friendly)
In My Room (Beach Boys)

Starling Sat 13-Dec-14 13:15:28

AlieOxon you may be interested in this news item:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30432645

We need to drop Delilah song for being too violent, says singer

(Sorry to resurrect old thread)