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thatbags Sun 20-Apr-14 08:14:56

An essay in defence of self-deprecation by Mary Wakefield.

It starts badly with her use of pug-eyed to describe someone, but it improves after that. A good read.

rosesarered Sat 26-Apr-14 11:01:51

At least the poor man had a gate.

rosesarered Sat 26-Apr-14 11:02:44

and the goverment is ordering lots of estates.

Ana Sat 26-Apr-14 11:09:21

Isn't the poor man supposed to be at the rich man's gate? I may be wrong, but that's the way I've always read it...confused

Ana Sat 26-Apr-14 11:10:10

No, castles don't have gates, do they? grin

Aka Sat 26-Apr-14 12:07:30

Portcullis?
Portcullises?
Portcullii??
Any port in a storm?

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 26-Apr-14 12:16:58

grin

You've had it wrong all these years Ana?! shockgrin

Elegran Sat 26-Apr-14 12:24:47

How about the ballad about the gypsies singing at the castle gate? That castle had a gate.

And one of the gypsies pulled the posh bird.

Ana Sat 26-Apr-14 12:34:11

Aha! I may not have been deluded all these years then! grin

Elegran Sat 26-Apr-14 12:38:28

I have always pictures the poor man in his little cottage just outside the gate to the castle. A handy position when the lady of the manor was out distributing largesse.

Nelliemoser Sat 26-Apr-14 13:42:31

I have a real visual image of that "Poor man at his Gate" as well Elegran
I wonder if it was ever in an illustrated book I may have seen.

I cannot stand that hymn now largely because of the social attitudes implied in that original third verse.
"God made them high and lowly.
And ordered their estate."

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 26-Apr-14 13:44:55

They miss that verse out now!

Elegran Sat 26-Apr-14 14:14:57

I always thought it meant that he did not actually order them to be in that positions, but ordered arranged the template so that there those differentials existed - he presumably allowed individuals to move from one category to another.

Punctuation matters too, whether you read "He made them, high or lowly," ie, made everyone, whatever their social class, or "He made them high or lowly," ie, caused them to be high or lowly.

Eats shoots and leaves!