Nobody Told Me

Washing up the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher - what madness is this?

Are we turning into a 'Loose Women' group, I mean the TV programme not being free with our favours of course ?

No Rufus not “on men” but some men of our acquaintance.
Please don’t be so touchy even in jest.
Women have endured for too long being patronised, condescended to, ignored, referred to as “‘Er indoors” “ the memsahib”, “ the little woman,” “ my dear” etc etc etc .
There is no excuse for “manspreading” in whatever attire under any circumstances, nor “mansplaining “, yet we have all suffered and that is not even mentioning more unpleasant or aggressive incidents.
I hope you are joking, but sadly I suspect there is an undercurrent of truth.
All I would add is a well known saying about kitchens and heat.

So long as manspreading isn't excessive I think it's intolerant to object to it too much. Consider their anatomy.

I sat beside a slim young man on the bus today who was not manspreading but who still managed to take up more than half the seat for two. Fortunately I'm used to sitting with only about one and a half buttocks on seat and bracing my feet to prevent capsizes.

The young man seemed to be nursing his bag on his far side. I really wanted to ask him if he had a kitten inside it.

Perhaps he did Baggs - in touch with his feminine side etc.

?

Men can take it Rufus Now, cover those budgie smugglers immediately!

Actually Baggs most men, especially the young snakehipped hipsters of the metropolis, have narrower hips than we do and have no need to open their knees to a 90 degree angle when sitting on public transport.
It’s just a modern take on codpieces isn’t it?

Luckygirl in defence of Rufus2, we recently had to have the dishwasher repaired as food residue had not been adequately removed before loading the machine ( by the Bodach, obviously).

Maw those of us without cod -dangles just have to get used to sitting on half a seat.

Most men are lovely and so we don't need to post when they are lovely. People post when there is a problem. DH is the nicest kindest most generous and reasonable of men and I can count on one hand the number of men who I would avoid. I read Mumsnet and am transfixed by some of the tales on there. How do these young women shack up with them? Are they overwhelmed with lust and are blinkered or are they of the I must have a bloke whatever the price school of thought?

One man I could avoid like the plaque although poor man looks increasingly ill but that’s John McCririck he is everything I dislike in a man Arrogant. disparaging of women, a non listener, ugggg I d walk to another town if he was around well him and trump ( with a little t) oh and the heavy drinking heavy smoking arrogant cesspit of a man call Farage
....but I m sure your great Rufus

There is no excuse for “manspreading” in whatever attire under any circumstances, nor "mansplaining"
Maw; I see you are out to Mawl me again, but I'm much tougher now.
However, You raise an interesting picture in my mind; how does a Scottie in kilt disport himself on, say, the Underground facing - inwards seats if the rumour is true? The mind boggles and eyes would be on stalks.
As you may know, I live on my own now and I can categorically say that "kitchen and heat" is just a load of old wives' tale;
Thank you for your support Luckygirl; now I'm waiting for the rest of my cheer-squad to appear on the horizon.
It's 1.00AM; I'm tired,
I had a little drink less than an hour ago; now I want to go to bed [snore]

Why on earth do you accuse me of “mawling” you Rufus?
My father wore the kilt occasionally and would no more have spread his knees to 90 degrees in that than in a pair of normal trousers.
“Manspreading” is the deliberate ill-educated and uncouth incursion of the space of another, partly perhaps out of misplaced male arrogance, partly to embarrass those (especially) women sitting beside or opposite.
No gentleman would behave like that.

By the way, these are Scotties. Not to be confused with Scotsmen. ?

I think you are wrong Rufus, we have open season on anyone!

Rufus2, what a strange comparison, free fat medical advice v men’s underdeveloped domestic skills , can you come up with a better example please ?

Yes I'm married to a washer upper who then puts washed items in the dishwasher, just why??? He's taken it upon himself to be sole dishwasher monitor of late. So unless he tells me whether it's been on, and sometimes I forget whether he has told me, I've no idea if everything is clean or dirty, because in our house they go in clean when they're supposed to be dirty well anyway I put them in dirty, well maybe a little rinse, but not a proper wash like him, because strangely I assume that's why we have a dishwasher!

I do rinse /scrape plates before putting them in the dishwasher as the clever man who comes to unclog the pipe in the door charges £75 call out plus £15 per 15 minutes.

Rufus why don't you fight back by complaining that women can't do things like changing a wheel on the car, changing plugs from continental to british. Sort out a messed up 'puter etc?
Or trying to fix things and making matters worse?
No doubt some women on here will claim to be able to do all these things.

My family men frequently wear the kilt but, being socially aware, do not display their wares as you suggest rufus!

with a better example please
Of course! You may have noticed that a thread was set up by a lady, to encourage "men" to see a doctor sooner rather than later. i.e. "men" were procrastinating over medical symptoms. Ladies were in favour!
I simply thought it conflicted with your apparent rejection of medical advice on a very common problem.
My other remarks, e.g. kitchen, home duties criticisms of mens' failings etc were just reflecting my concern at the relentless barrage of views in public on matters that should be private.
Don't worry; Relax.!
I know you are all joking, as are my responses.

Why do skydivers jumping from a plane at 20,000ft, bother to wear crash helmets? Jerry Seinfeld

do not display their wares as you suggest rufus!
mcem; Sorry, but you are twisting my words. I did not! Quite the opposite! How do they avoid a peep-show?
I'm sure when Charles travels the Underground in kilt, (Elizabeth Line of course) he'll show us how to wrap it discreetly around his knees.
Anything else would give the term "travel-sick" a whole new meaning.
But you have to give them credit for wearing them in the depths of Winter.

Rubbish, this was what you said. Mcem and I were saying men (of our acquaintance) do not.

You raise an interesting picture in my mind; how does a Scottie (doc) in kilt disport himself on, say, the Underground facing - inwards seats if the rumour is true? The mind boggles etc etc etc
How does he disport himself?
He keeps his knees together, that’s how.