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A phone app has changed her husband.

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Day6 Fri 30-Jun-17 19:47:52

How would you feel if the man in your life was totally fixated by looking at photos of women?

An old friend is at her wit's end. We spoke about her husband's behaviour over a year ago. She said she noticed he'd been using his phone much more. If she came into the room he'd flinch, close down his phone immediately and carry on as if nothing was wrong. However, my friend says she has caught him in the act. He has some sort of app on his phone that gives him pictures of women in saucy poses, in various states of undress, but mainly showing lots of cleavage. It's not porn but it's very suggestive. She says she has often looked over his shoulder from outside the room, when he was unaware she was there. She has also feigned sleep and lolls over to his side of the bed to glimpse his phone.

She says she knows his movements now as he does it so often. The screen is brightly lit, he is scrolling down, has a voting system for them, so checks boxes and zooms in and out of the pictures. He holds his phone close to his chest and uses the flap of the cover to keep it all out of view.

If she asks what he's checking, he says Facebook or Whatsapp messages and she knows he is lying to her. What breaks her heart is that she says he lies in bed next to her checking his phone while she is reading. He has a cover on his phone and uses the cover as a shield to hide the screen.

She says this has been going on for about two years, and he doesn't even look guilty any longer if she interrupts him in the middle of his fun. He is on his phone for hours when she leaves him alone. She checks in, discreetly and he isn't even aware she is peeking around the door, he is so engrossed.

Looking at women has become an obsession. She asked me if she should confront him about what has become a daily habit. Every time he sits down, if he is not watching TV he is on his phone. She knows from the bright glare and his hand movements that he is liking photos and enlarging them.

I said I'd have been very angry and would have read him the riot act. She was close to tears and says she feels he is disrespecting her. The longer it goes on, the less close to him she feels. She thinks if she does confront him she'll cry, because she feels so hurt and betrayed and she will pack her bags and leave him, or at least tell him their life together is over. She says they haven't had an intimate relationship for years, they are both in their 60s, but they've always had a loving, close one.

She says part of her should turn a blind eye to it because he isn't really unfaithful. She thinks she will lose so much if she calls it a day. They have a lovely home together, a nice family and joint friends.

My feeling is that I'd be outraged if my partner carried on in this way and I'd either end it or demand he ends his relationship with the app which allows him to access other women 24/7. She says he was using it all the time when they were on holiday and she felt so alone and found herself not being able to talk to him properly. She lost enthusiasm for all the usual sightseeing, evening drinks, socialising.

She is suffering. I said she shouldn't suffer in silence but she is very torn about where she stands and whether she wants to be with him any more. She is also worried about breaking up a happy home and losing everything they've had together.

Confronting him has to be the only solution I said, but for some reason she is reluctant to do so. Any thoughts?

rosesarered Fri 30-Jun-17 20:25:40

Yes, I have.....she must let him know that she knows what he is doing, however tempting it is to say nothing.She should do it do it in the morning, not when either of them is tired or emotional ( at night).She should state that she finds it upsetting and disrespectful and would like it to end right now! She does need to understand though, that both of them are only in their 60's not 80's so why haven't they had an intimate relationship for years? Is that something that could be worked at? He obviously wants something sexual in his life.No, it isn't porn, but finding your DH constantly looking at younger women on his phone, even when you are sitting next to him is taking the proverbial! She has to confront him about it.

Ana Fri 30-Jun-17 20:27:39

I agree, but he's obviously addicted and won't give his viewing up easily. Good luck!

Ana Fri 30-Jun-17 20:28:07

I mean, to your friend!

Day6 Fri 30-Jun-17 21:41:27

She is the loveliest woman, so kind, giving, trusting. He has really let her down and what makes me most angry is the way he is lying to her, while getting his kicks with other women, albeit ones on his screen. She was tearing up as she told me about it.

It's the end of the world to her. They've been together for 40+ years. She has lost some of her sparkle and love of life. It's so sad to witness. She feels betrayed and says she will not be able to forgive or forget, so for her, confrontation will be the end of all they have.

I think that's a bit drastic, and told her so, but I can understand why she feels so hurt. I reckon he'd be mortified if he realised she knew what he was up to.

MissAdventure Fri 30-Jun-17 21:58:45

I can understand why your friend is reluctant to confront him. That will mean opening a whole can of worms. Continuing to turn a blind eye obviously isn't the answer though. Its as if she thinks that until she says something, she can carry on pretending nothing is wrong. Poor soul.

Luckygirl Fri 30-Jun-17 22:10:57

Surely he must realise she knows - he is doing it next to her in bed for heaven's sake, and in the same room. Communication must truly have broken down between them - that is very sad.

Only she can choose what she wants to do about it. If she is clear that confronting him is not an option; then maybe she needs to develop her own life so that this does not loom so large in her mind.

MissAdventure Fri 30-Jun-17 22:14:00

I think when someone is so engrossed in their phone, everything else disappears.
Correction, I know it to be so; my ex was a Facebook addict. (At least that's what he told me)
A bomb could have gone off and he wouldn't have noticed.

Nanabilly Fri 30-Jun-17 23:47:54

I wonder why your friend feels unable to speak to him about it. 40+ years of marriage should make you able to say anything to your partner .Have they always had difficulty communicating?
Anyway if she wants to tackle this problem but feels unable to speak to him then I wonder if she will be able to write him a letter...if it were me I'd just say in the letter " I don't wish to talk about it but you have one chance to change your behaviour " and then outline what she knows he is doing and how it makes her feel . Post it to him or just leave it where he will find it and then see what happens from there. If nothing changes then I think the marriage is probably done and dusted and she needs to get out.

vampirequeen Sat 01-Jul-17 08:31:40

She has to talk to him if it upsets her. I like the idea of a letter if she feels unable to speak.

Perhaps she could suggest that they look at the pictures and vote together. This would make it a joke rather than something he does alone and hides. It might even take the shine off it and she'll find it eventually stops.

We, humans, are odd creatures. We sometimes find that having little secrets is exciting. Take away the secrecy and the excitement is lost too.

jollyg Sat 01-Jul-17 14:07:33

To a vexatious problem, you have nailed it VQ.

I think men like , in my opinion, or maybe its just my husband, to have secrets.

Think back to his father and how he treated your husband when young.

A lot of things can be traced back to family relations.

Good luck to your friend and support her all you can, as I know you will

Norah Sat 01-Jul-17 20:24:47

I would be outraged for her and recommend her to leave him.

Eloethan Sat 01-Jul-17 21:40:06

Is it possible that he is trying to provoke a response?

vampirequeen Sat 01-Jul-17 21:46:07

Leaving is a bit drastic if the rest of their marriage is sound.

Maidmarion Sun 02-Jul-17 09:28:37

I think I would get the phone and drop it in the toilet!!!!!

vickya Sun 02-Jul-17 09:31:56

What about telling your husband you've heard of an ap that shows pictures of fit men? Ask him if he'd mind you getting it, for artistic appreciation. Say you might want to draw nude figures. Say you might want to look at females too for the same reasons, or just because looking at beautiful people is enjoyable.

acanthus Sun 02-Jul-17 09:32:11

I agree with vampirequeen - she should make a joke of it, along the lines of "Looking at those busty girls again?".
Not saying anything and bottling up all that hurt inside is not doing your friend any good and just creating a bigger wedge in what seems to have been up to now a good marriage. I certainly wouldn't say that it's grounds for separation.
The lack of intimacy is OK in my opinion - we don't all neede or want to be at 'it' in later years. He obviously likes just a bit of titillation - better that than visiting massage parlours or watching porn. He's just got hooked on a habit and it's up to your friend to try to get him out of it by talking to him and trying to understand why.

Theoddbird Sun 02-Jul-17 09:35:11

Maybe she should find an Ap with male pictures on to look at...look at them in front of him and see what the reaction is...

Other than doing this he definitely has to be confronted. This will only get worse...the pictures could get worse as well.

She has to say something...

youngagain Sun 02-Jul-17 09:42:39

Many of you may not agree with me, but such a change in behaviour can sometimes suggest the early onset of dementia. A fixation on something, such as this lady has described is not so uncommon as you might think. Perhaps this lady needs to talk to a doctor and get their advice first before doing anything else. Having known of this happening before, I would seriously think about it.

Silverlining47 Sun 02-Jul-17 09:50:39

I feel so sorry for your friend. I know how she feels. I found my husband was sending romantic but harmless emails to various foreign girls through some agency. It was so out of character. It was like a bombshell when I found he was sending them from his mobile whilst at home with me.
With advice from GN I confronted him. It was awful. He admitted it with no defence or arguement. Just a sadness and said he didn't recignise himself. As a result, and along with other issues, he got help for depression.
But, whilst I can forgive him and love him, I cannot forget the hurt and shock and am still occasionally suspicious and upset when I see him tapping away at his phone although he assures me it's all finished now.

harrysgran Sun 02-Jul-17 09:57:37

Download an app of hunky men and leave the phone where he can see it he will soon get the message

Coco51 Sun 02-Jul-17 09:57:53

It is a pity the husband feels the need to view the pictures surreptitiously, but my son has a saying 'You can look at the menu as much as you like, as long as you eat at home'. I wonder if this is a substitute for the couple actually having sex - it's very easy to slip into the mode of wanting and enjoying sex but not getting round to it as life encroaches. How would your friend feel about looking at the images with her husband and also rating and/or talking about them together and having a giggle? I can imagine the constant viewing makes the wife feel unloved, maybe the husband is reacting to a similar feeling of his own. I know my bod is droopy and there's too much of it, but I say to my partner he shouldn't feel any guilt if he wants to look at saucy pictures - we are together because we want to be, not because we have to be, and if he didn't want me there would be little point in trying to persuade him otherwise - no-one is happy with a reluctant partner, as I learned in my too-long marriage.

moxeyns Sun 02-Jul-17 09:58:02

Relate might help. The process is excellent - very supportive of the woman (I found), and allows you to talk both to your partner in a controlled environment, but also to pour out your heart to the councellor.

FarNorth Sun 02-Jul-17 10:13:52

A letter sounds like the best option.

I can imagine how your friend feels and that the good suggestions on how to speak to her DH whether seriously or jokily, could be too upsetting for her.

She'd have to speak to him after he'd read the letter, of course.

kooklafan Sun 02-Jul-17 10:15:55

He is definitely disrespecting her but part of me want's to say "at least he's not straying in real life" then another part wants to add "yet". DH and I are happy but when we first started courting he was a terrible flirt, really bad. I told him that unless he cut it out, toned it down we would have to call it a day. I told him that the way he interacted with other women was inappropriate and was very hurtful and disrespectful to me as his girlfriend and if he wanted to behave that way he should be single. It worked, He did tone down his behaviour but even now, every so often he gets over excited and I have to rein him in again. She is going to have to tell him, even if she cries, at least he will see how much it is hurting her. If he loves her he will stop. If not, well, at least she will know where she stands otherwise the only alternative is to continue pretending she doesn't know and just monitor him but if she does that then she's not being true to herself. I truly hope she finds the strength to confront him and wish her all the very best XX