Shamima Begum has appeal rejected

I agree with the decision too.

There’s already a thread about her with comments on the loss of the appeal.

Oops, I should have added to that thread. Only just seen it, sorry.

Germanshepherdsmum

There’s already a thread about her with comments on the loss of the appeal.

I could only see the thread about the documentary which I did not see so I’ll add my tuppenceworth here.
I understand Shamima Begum is only one of over 100 cases where appeals have been lodged or heard or rejected.
I believe the government was within the law to deprive her of her citizenship in the first place and to reject her appeal.
Young women/girls of 15 may be below the age of majority but she admits she incited and encouraged the girls who accompanied her, lied to police and far from being “groomed” or “trafficked” ignored opportunities to approach the authorities while in this country.
She makes it clear that she knew very well what she was doing and while she may have been starry eyed about the future she envisaged for herself, she acted of her own volition.
That she now has to live with the consequences sends a clear message to those who have acted likewise or may be tempted to.

Well said Maw.

Couldn't agree more, Maw.

Glad she has lost her appeal. Right decision.

I'm not sure what the consequences for her will be, and I didn't see the documentary either, but I agree with Maw that she was not 'trafficked' in the usual sense of the word and arguments for her return to the UK should be based on other considerations.

My feelings too Maw

I agree with the panel, whose judgement is that, whilst it was lawful for the decision to be made by the Hime Secretary, with regard to the decision itself
“Reasonable people will profoundly disagree with the Secretary of State…”

My feelings too Maw. She was of an age to know quite well what she was doing.

‘People’ do not have the information available to the Home Secretary Siope. Do you not recall his comment ‘If you knew what I know’?

Very well said Maw.

Greta Thunberg was 15 when she lectured world leaders on the worlds stage.

SB was 15 when she decided to join Daesh.

She is the U.K.’s problem, she should be in the U.K. face a trial and if found guilty imprisoned.

Germanshepherdsmum

‘People’ do not have the information available to the Home Secretary Siope. Do you not recall his comment ‘If you knew what I know’?

The panel, however, do have that information.

The judgement is interesting, and, given what it highlights about the power that a single individual has to interpret and administer the law, concerning.

Well said Maw.
I don’t think for one minute this is a decision taken lightly by the government, M15 or other authorities who have insider knowledge.
We as citizens of the UK need to trust their judgements are to keep us safe.
Much as I now feel sorry for her.

Good.

That power is always subject to judicial review Siope, as has happened here.

Good riddance. If she came back, next thing you know her husband would follow her under the right to family life laws.

I too feel sorry for her ........however it is the correct decision. Could she ever be trusted? SB is very damaged.

I agree also with Maw.

Wherever SB's family are in the world they have been strangely silent.

Who is providing SB with money?

Dr Charlotte Proudman, - a British barrister and Cambridge academic.

“Shamima Begum was a British child when she was groomed and radicalised by fundamentalists; she was trafficked; and she suffered gravely under ISIS. She was a child bride — and she watched her three children die. She is a British citizen and she should be brought to justice here.”

I agree with this.

I was quite open about it all - since.she was born and raised here . But then I heard her comments about being useful to the UK security services on Jeremy Vine .She kept saying I can be useful to YOU and stuff like YOU haven't been doing a good job up to now ( which really got my back up !). So I thought these are not the sentiments of a person who feels she belongs here .Why does she keep saying 'you'? Surely you would say we referring to your own country the country of your true allegiance ?I felt it was a grammatical slip showing her true loyalties .

Whitewavemark2

Dr Charlotte Proudman, - a British barrister and Cambridge academic.

“Shamima Begum was a British child when she was groomed and radicalised by fundamentalists; she was trafficked; and she suffered gravely under ISIS. She was a child bride — and she watched her three children die. She is a British citizen and she should be brought to justice here.”

I agree with this.

I agree she should be returned to the U.K. to face trial.

I struggle with groomed & trafficked

She was/is an intelligent Muslim girl, who could not fail to have knowledge of Daesh/ISIS.

She was not drugged or dragged onto the plane, she went willingly.