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Anne Boleyn

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Sarnia Wed 19-May-21 08:22:36

Why is a black woman playing Anne Boleyn? Has this been done to appease those who want to change our history? I, for one, am fed up with the people who graffiti, damage and remove anything from British history that they don't agree with. History has happened, it is past, you can't change it but you can learn from it. Anne Boleyn was white so she should be played by a white actress. If Benedict Cumberbatch announced he was playing Martin Luther-King there would be hell to pay.

Deedaa Sun 30-May-21 19:11:27

Of course the real test will be watching the actual programme. It may be brilliant, it may be same old, same old. We won't know until we watch.

Namsnanny Sun 30-May-21 19:16:30

True Deedaa, and I shall definitely be watching it.

But please producers put your money into other history projects!

tickingbird Sun 30-May-21 19:44:55

Doodledog Cardinal Wolsey wasn’t executed.

Callistemon Sun 30-May-21 19:46:42

Of course Henry V111 is very interesting, but it's been done to death.
I was just going to post that too Namsnanny
(It is rather punny though)

tickingbird Sun 30-May-21 19:46:54

Alegrias

I .... just....can't....

Good grief

Are you auditioning for a part? It’s all rather dramatic!

Callistemon Sun 30-May-21 19:49:47

It has been suggested that he took against Anne as revenge for the execution of his mentor, Cardinal Wolsey, which is a possibility.
Cardinal Wolsey died of natural causes before he could be executed. Supposedly.

Alegrias1 Sun 30-May-21 19:50:22

Not as dramatic ( -ally wrong ) as saying that all the actors in Africa are black.

Has anybody told Charlize Theron? ?

tickingbird Sun 30-May-21 19:53:14

Shock! Horror! You mean that remnant from colonialism? Thanks for the comedy Alegrias, you are a hoot.

Alegrias1 Sun 30-May-21 19:55:09

that remnant from colonialism

WTF?

Doodledog Sun 30-May-21 20:20:47

Callistemon

^It has been suggested that he took against Anne as revenge for the execution of his mentor, Cardinal Wolsey, which is a possibility.^
Cardinal Wolsey died of natural causes before he could be executed. Supposedly.

True, but he was being taken to London having been charged with treason. He would have been unlikely to survive. You are quite right though- he escaped the block.

Namsnanny Sun 30-May-21 20:52:58

Callistemon

^Of course Henry V111 is very interesting, but it's been done to death.^
I was just going to post that too Namsnanny
(It is rather punny though)

funny punny? grin

Callistemon Sun 30-May-21 21:15:15

Not at the time, Namsnanny!
??

Namsnanny Mon 31-May-21 01:14:49

No, not that Henry cared, he was out hunting and partying with his next victim.

nanna8 Mon 31-May-21 02:03:22

No it’s been done to death and I wouldn’t watch it if you paid me. Too many previous very good versions. Have they no creative imagination that they have to dredge this up yet again? I suppose we’ll get yet another version of The Titanic next.

Namsnanny Mon 31-May-21 11:15:52

Yes 'they' do seem to enjoy covering g the same ground over and over nanna8
As I said previously, I think it has to do with choosing subject matter that appeals to a wider audience than just the UK.
You mention the Titanic, and
The fact that the history channels are filled with programs about it proves my point i think!

Ilovecheese Mon 31-May-21 11:49:56

I don't think you can ever say that a period in history has been "done to death". There is no definitive version of what actually happened in any past event. History is always being reevaluated in particular when new evidence or artifacts have been discovered.
Just recently some letters were found that seem to show that Anne loved Henry just as much as he loved her and she is not the schemer that she is sometimes portrayed. Different ways of looking at historical events can be fascinating, we can never state that "this is what happened and there can be no argument " there is always a new way to look at or think about events, one reason history is of enduring fascination .
This particular production, I have read is going to concentrate on the latter part of Anne's reign. Just imagine how frightened she must have been, absolutely of enduring interest.

Chestnut Mon 31-May-21 12:25:07

Ilovecheese* ^Different ways of looking at historical events can be fascinating, we can never state that "this is what happened and there can be no argument " there is always a new way to look at or think about events, one reason history is of enduring fascination
That would be true if these new productions were anything other than sexed-up sensationalism which is what they seem to be. Do they have much basis in truth?

Doodledog Mon 31-May-21 12:33:30

Different ways of looking at historical events can be fascinating, we can never state that "this is what happened and there can be no argument " there is always a new way to look at or think about events, one reason history is of enduring fascination.

I agree, and get frustrated when people insist that historical interpretations are 'facts', or are based on 'truth'.

We don't know what happened between man and wife then, any more than we do now. We know about battles and coronations and approximate dates of births and deaths (there is controversy about whether AB was born in 1501 or 1507, for instance), but the personal lives of the people involved are largely unknown, which is why I have found the various interpretations over the years worth watching, and the numerous books on the subject worth reading.

Ilovecheese Mon 31-May-21 12:35:18

To be fair, Chestnut the story of Henry and Anne is about love and sex and is very sensational.
The stories will have the same basis in truth as any other version of historical events. They are all interpretations.

Buttonjugs Mon 31-May-21 12:56:43

I do understand the OP - I can’t watch anything that punctures my belief in a drama. It’s nothing to do with being racist, I don’t like period drama showing the wrong kind of pram for the era, I don’t like spotting a double glazed window, or using phrases or terminology that didn’t exist at the time. I don’t like the wrong fashion or hairstyle either. I can’t help it, although I strongly suspect I am on the Autistic spectrum.

Callistemon Mon 31-May-21 15:00:43

You'd make an excellent producer and continuity person, Buttonjugs!
Many of those things irritate me too, although I don't think I'm as observant as I used to be.

Chestnut Mon 31-May-21 15:07:00

Ilove cheese - I can't imagine Henry and Anne's story being overly sensationalised for The Six Wives of Henry VIII with Keith Michell. They played it very straight back then. I think I'd like to watch that out of interest, though maybe would have to buy it on DVD.

Namsnanny Mon 31-May-21 15:14:43

Drama is different to documentary.

The return to the same period is boring, when there are other countries history, and other periods that can be drawn from.

I still believe the fact Henry is such a universal character, makes him a good vehicle to sell programs to the wider world, and that is the reason he is returned to again and again.

I agree new information (Henry and Annes letters have been referred to many times before) does necessitate a new look at a period.

This is a drama. So to make it more topical, the producers have included a black actor, imv to create interest.

Ilovecheese Mon 31-May-21 15:17:15

How can execution for trumped up charges of treason be not sensational.

Ilovecheese Mon 31-May-21 15:24:23

I don't think I would ever be bored by this story. It is universal in that is about love and about what happens when love is gone, I think it is relatable and timeless. Imagine her fear, she knew that all that could secure her position was to give birth to a boy. Did she ever really believe he would have her killed in order to marry someone else. She was a young woman, she must have been terrified, puzzled and confused, to go from being adored to being hated within three years. Facinating.