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Queen Victoria's Children

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gracesmum Fri 04-Jan-13 14:01:13

I managed to catch a bit of the of the second part (daughters) and the third (sons) and wonder if any of you agree what monster parents she and Prince Albert made?
While Bertie was still a baby he was deemed "retarded" and as a toddler he was unfavourably compared with Vicky, his older sister who at the age of 4 was reading French and learning Latin (poor little beggar). Queen Victoria did not like any of her children as babies, except briefly "Affie" (Alfred) as looking like Albert and poor Leopold who was constantly expected to die young and "pure" as he suffered from haemophilia.He was left to the tender mercies of John Brown's sadistic son who used to hit him with spoons around the face, lock and bully him. The poor young man only "escaped" briefly to study at Oxford (I think) but was allowed to go there "only to study - not to enjoy it". She constantly interfered and attempted to control their lives both as adolescents and adults - even after Bertie and Alexandra were married she decreed how long Alexandra might ride her horse in the park .She gave the Prince of Wales no preparation for kingship or access to any political documents. As for her total hypocrisy regarding Bertie's (admittedly) racy private life - while Albert was alive he and Victoria were at it like rabbits - indeed I understand one of the reasons she dislike pregnancy and small babies, was that these kept her out of bed with Albert!! She was a whingeing, self-pitying woman from start to finish - did you see her in Bertie and Alexandra's wedding photo? Dressed in black sitting between them and staring moodily at a bust of Albert over to one side. What a MIL from hell!! Comments have been made here or elsewhere about the (at times) dysfunctional family which is the House of Windsor - but is it any wonder??
If you don't hear from me for a bit, it is probably because I have been sent to the Tower grin

Nelliemoser Sat 05-Jan-13 09:25:12

nonu The idea of a picture of her "hanging" on your landing is interesting!
You must have really disliked her! grin wink

Marelli Sat 05-Jan-13 09:35:42

I watched all of the episodes one after the other on i-Player last night. It was mentioned that Victoria and Albert were so passionate about each other and enjoyed their sexual relationship immensely. It was said that neither had any idea about how to prevent children being conceived, so their babies were born in quick succession. Victoria seemed to see her children as a rather irritating nuisance, and something that was more an inconvenience to her relationship with Albert. She really did seem to be 'not a very nice woman', and very emotionally needy. If Albert had lived to be an older man things with the family may have been very different, perhaps.
Isn't it strange that she resented her children, rather than he did? Is it not often more the case that the father sees the children as the barrier between he and his wife? hmm

crimson Sat 05-Jan-13 10:26:57

Wonder if her constant physical demands were a bit too much for him and, with her being the Queen and all that he couldn't say he 'had a headache' blush...

Marelli Sat 05-Jan-13 11:23:27

winkgrin, crimson!

nightowl Sat 05-Jan-13 11:27:23

crimson do you think it was her constant demands that finished him off, rather than Bertie's misdemeanours. I think John Brown died relatively young as well wink

Elegran Sat 05-Jan-13 11:54:08

There was a comment somewhere that Albert suffered already from stomach troubles well before he got the typhoid which killed him. It sounds too as though he was a perfectionist, so he would have worried about details and produced a lot of stomach acid. Keeping up with Victoria in the bedroom as well as in daily decisions, and combatting the politicians who resented his influence would not have helped. The poor man was worn out.

crimson Sat 05-Jan-13 12:05:08

He actually sound like quite a dear person.

Mamie Sat 05-Jan-13 12:08:14

I think most historians now agree that Albert didn't die of typhoid fever. Some think he had stomach cancer and some Crohn's disease.
Not suggesting it was anything to do with his death, but has anyone else read the book about how many Victorians were killed quickly or slowly by arsenic poisoning in green pigment in wallpapers, paint etc?
I often wonder how much illness and debilitation was down to contaminated foods and poor diet.
I think one thing that was good about V and A's treatment of their children was how they had a lot of freedom at Osborne with outdoor games, vegetable plots to tend etc. Quite unusual I think. They were certainly unusual in rearing nine live children.

crimson Sat 05-Jan-13 12:23:55

I was trying to think of the name of Osborne House as I was going to mention it. Can't help but feel that was Albert's influence/idea.

Mamie Sat 05-Jan-13 12:51:06

I think Victoria had spent holidays on the I of W as a child and loved it. She certainly never wanted to leave it.

Nonu Sat 05-Jan-13 13:19:29

Nelliem

You little minx , CSL