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We should not teach them to put so much into nationalism and ball games! Ridiculous

Tosh!
Tell that to Roger Federer - it’s just a different size of ball.
Team spirit, pride in their country , loyalty, skill in any sports and physical fitness should be encouraged in all children.
Don’t be so woke.

Yes, the best teaching in these skills starts when young - sharing collaboratively, taking turns, impulse control, obeying and following rules etc.
And then all these can be transferred to every day life.

Oh dear, just when I was feeling proud of DGD (only playing for 4 weeks) who scored a hat trick 😀

At least she wasn't sitting playing on an iPhone, she was out in the fresh air.

No, I haven’t. Can’t stand it. Sick and tired of it dominating the tv schedules. Be glad when it’s all over. Vain hope, as I’m sure some other sport will take its place after all this over hype.

My grandson and I watched it together, he goes to watch our local team's home matches. He was very invested in an England win. After the match all I could think of to say was "nobody died". We laughed.

My youngest DGD has an England and a French football shirt. She changed to whichever side was winning. That’s the attitude! Now it’s Allez les Bleus in her household.

Good on your DGD vegansrock!
And of course if France wins the tournament we can always say we went out against the elite!

I can imagine like lots of young (and old) people all over the country 2nd GS was devastated. He plays for the “Blues” (Birmingham City) under 11’s and has been thrilled to experience training sessions at St George’s Park - the England training ground in Staffordshire.

That's good Maw. Just remind him that when he gets to play for Juventas, AC Milan or Real Madrid that his grandma would like to come along to watch shop and be treated! I keep telling my DGS that PSG is the one I want!

Thank heavens for that. Perhaps people/media will talk about something else now.

Oreo

Blondiescot your anti English prejudices are showing, and yes, it was a juvenile comment from you.

We did well tonight tho, a respectable outcome 2-1.
Didn’t think we would get so far tbh.Hope Kane doesn’t feel too bad about it.

I can assure you I have no anti-English prejudices, it's purely and simply a football thing, and yes, most football banter probably could be classed as juvenile. You should hear some of the things I say about my own team's bitter rivals here in Edinburgh! My English friends all know this and take it in the spirit in which it's intended - they can give just as good as they get, I assure you. There's no malice involved.

Joseanne

Yes, the best teaching in these skills starts when young - sharing collaboratively, taking turns, impulse control, obeying and following rules etc.
And then all these can be transferred to every day life.

Totally. Sport is wonderful, especially team sports that encourage cooperation and working together, as a team.

But when you see the behaviour of too many dads are football, rugby or other games, the shouting and swearing, and often worse, then you know it has gone too far.

Of course you want your team to win- totally normal. But when it goes far, far beyond that, then you know it is too much. My favourite games are hockey and rugby btw- but the same applies.

The French game was dirty, and the umpire hopeless and inconsistent.

I'm hoping Croatia or Morocco wins

The French game was dirty, and the umpire hopeless and inconsistent.
Fair comment Fleurpepper and once the players get away with that sort of behaviour they will carry on doing it.

Thanks Joseanne, totally agree.

Which is why people should not suppot their team at all cost- but the best team, at the end of the day.

We were taught to train hard, play well but fair, but also, to accept that the best team should win.

Woke? Really? In the 50s and 60s?

Joseanne

^The French game was dirty, and the umpire hopeless and inconsistent.^
Fair comment Fleurpepper and once the players get away with that sort of behaviour they will carry on doing it.

Yes, it was, I agree.

Now I'll support Croatia 🙂

I’m just hoping he can keep Granny n the style she has yet to become accustomed to!

Croatia or Morocco for me may the best team win

We should not teach them to put so much into nationalism and ball games! Ridiculous

Supporting one’s home team is not rampant nationalism but national pride - not the same thing.
Show me a millennium when little boys did not love kicking a ball around . Nothing wrong with ball games.

MawtheMerrier

^We should not teach them to put so much into nationalism and ball games! Ridiculous^

Supporting one’s home team is not rampant nationalism but national pride - not the same thing.
Show me a millennium when little boys did not love kicking a ball around . Nothing wrong with ball games.

Absolutely NOTHING wrong at all. Did you read my last post?

Very fine line for some between national pride, and nationalism. When you see the angry, almost violence faces and expressions on chidlrens' faces, copied from dads and other adults. The swearing, insults, racism- from some, and the massive distress and 'Angst' - then you know it has gone too far.

When kids beliee their world and country has come to an end because of a football match- and it causes huge distress, bordering on depression, then it has gone too far.

Fleurpepper

When kids beliee their world and country has come to an end because of a football match- and it causes huge distress, bordering on depression, then it has gone too far.

Oh dear, does it?

For some, it does, yes.

Fleurpepper

MawtheMerrier

We should not teach them to put so much into nationalism and ball games! Ridiculous

Supporting one’s home team is not rampant nationalism but national pride - not the same thing.
Show me a millennium when little boys did not love kicking a ball around . Nothing wrong with ball games.

Absolutely NOTHING wrong at all. Did you read my last post?

Very fine line for some between national pride, and nationalism. When you see the angry, almost violence faces and expressions on chidlrens' faces, copied from dads and other adults. The swearing, insults, racism- from some, and the massive distress and 'Angst' - then you know it has gone too far.

I was commenting on one particular post.

Nobody’s world has come to an end, you need to resist the temptation of the straw man fallacy of raising a spurious argument with the aim of shooting it down.
C’est tout.

"Somebody said that football's a matter of life and death, I said 'listen, it's more important than that'."

Bill Shankly

MawtheMerrier

Fleurpepper

MawtheMerrier

We should not teach them to put so much into nationalism and ball games! Ridiculous

Supporting one’s home team is not rampant nationalism but national pride - not the same thing.
Show me a millennium when little boys did not love kicking a ball around . Nothing wrong with ball games.

Absolutely NOTHING wrong at all. Did you read my last post?

Very fine line for some between national pride, and nationalism. When you see the angry, almost violence faces and expressions on chidlrens' faces, copied from dads and other adults. The swearing, insults, racism- from some, and the massive distress and 'Angst' - then you know it has gone too far.

I was commenting on one particular post.

Nobody’s world has come to an end, you need to resist the temptation of the straw man fallacy of raising a spurious argument with the aim of shooting it down.
C’est tout.

I know several cases where it felt as though it had - from grand-father, to son and grand-sons. Real despair, anger, nightmares and more. Glad to hear this didn't happen with kids you know.

Did you watch the faces of some on tv? For some, it was natural disappointment, and totally natural, For others it was much more than that, sadly.

I don't even understand your comment, lol. Staw man fallacy/spurious argument/aim to shoot down. What? Pardon? LOL.