Trump and climate shange

No-one has yet mentioned the increasing human population as the root cause of all this.......

is a fact, whatever anyone's local thermometer says - the world is a lot bigger than your home town

Of course it is Elegran but let's face it there are people who never get much further than their own home town and thinking about what might be happening on the other side of the world might be the last thing on their mind. It's a bit like adding climate taxes to fuel and the cost of flying when those that fly the most and use the most fuel continue to do as much as they like, as they can afford it . People like prince Charles make me sick ! Not explaining myself very well and it's hard to type on my phone but I hope you get what I'm trying to say .

God I keep starting them and then find I have no time. It is absolutely ridiculous I don't know what I do with myself. They are good though aren't they?

There are several short free courses on futurelearn about climate change, one started a week or so ago (still available), more coming up in the future. www.futurelearn.com/courses/collections/climate-change

Yes ele every species is suffering as a result of our action.

There are several natural cycles in global temperature, most of which are very long (like 41,000 years) but some shorter (like the 11 year sunspot cycle) Computing all the known existing ones gives a prediction that the earth should be becoming colder at the moment. But it is not, it is getting warmer at a very much faster rate than it would have been getting colder, and the different temperarure distribution affects weather systems worldwide.. That is a fact, whatever anyone's local thermometer says - the world is a lot bigger than your home town.

The different factor is homo sapiens and their activities.

I thought we couldn't see and feel it because we live in a temperate climate....

(I know they had to ditch 'global warming' and go with the much vaguer 'climate change'!)

True

Not necessarily what we want to see and feel. What we CAN see and feel.

Facts my dear, facts!! We live in a post-truth era so facts are ignored and we only believe what we want to see and feel.

I appreciate that whitewave which is probably why a lot of people deny it exists at all.

Living in a temperate climate, the changes are not so stark as those in climate extremes.

I have to say that living on the coast in the NE of England. I have seen no evidence whatsoever of climate change (although I know plenty other areas have). Our summers are as cold as ever. No flooding, No heavy snow falls and the sea is as cold as it ever was all year around.

No it isn't true. I have a son who is an environmental scientist. What you are saying lindl can be challenged at every point and masses of evidence to show that climate change is probably the biggest threat facing the planet.

I don't believe that.

Will you all please read the scientific facts on both sides. The Romans we're growing grapes in York - the world has been heating up and cooling down since it began. Nothing to do with carbon dioxide. It's the other way round - when the planet heats up(through entirely natural phenomena) more carbon dioxide is produced. We're throwing enormous amounts of money at something which is entirely natural and unavoidable. Did you read that there has been no actual rise in average temperatures in the last 20 years? It's the politicians not wanting to lose face. I think The Donald may be cleverer than we're giving him credit for!

Sorry, I seem to have stopped this thread.

I see Trump as the unfortunate result of all these calamities...caused by the the unthinking emotional reaction to all the disturbances of every kind around the world.

(Denial of threatening truth is not logical, but is our first reaction.)

The elephant is not going to go away of its own accord....

going....

Actually I really believe that the world is coming to the point where it cannot sustain the increasing human population any further...
Who sees the elephant in the room?

......... temperature rising, ice melting, famines,over crowding, sudden local massacres, refugees, riots, bombers, ...consequent rise in the far right support....
Rising tension between many countries.....

Where are we ging?

And very hot areas, and more temperate areas etc.

The biggest disaster to ever happen to this world was the evolution of home sapiens

Thanks for that link Alie, we were just talking about this tonight while watching an episode of the latest Attenborough programme that mentioned the potential impact of climate change in very cold areas.