Faeries and Nature Elementals

Here we go with the quantum mechanics again.

Schrodinger's cat does not explain why there are fairies. Unless fairies have collapsing wavefunctions. Do they have collapsing wavefunctions?

As I've said before, people are entitled to believe what they like. But they are not entitled to try to justify their beliefs by making things up about science.

OK so we put a mouse in a box and we call it Vamp's mouse. We put something in the box that could kill the mouse but we don't know that it will kill the mouse and we leave it for a while. Is Vamp's mouse dead or alive? We don't know so it's dead and alive at the same time until we open the box and see for ourselves.

The same idea works for faeries and other things that cannot be explained or proven. Faeries may or may not exist so technically they do and don't exist until we see the evidence, in this case a faerie, with our own eyes. We cannot give a definitive answer so it becomes a matter of faith. I believe in faeries other people don't believe in faeries. I may be right or they may be right but at this moment in time we're both right.

I'm not using science. I'm trying to show that if someone closes their minds to possibilities then they risk missing so much.

You have closed your mind to the fact they dont exist.

Let’s remember all laws of nature discovered by scientists are considered provisional. They are considered to be approximations to deeper laws. They are constantly being revised as new experimental evidence is found.

No I simply choose to believe that they do exist and, like any faith, will continue with that belief unless it is proven to be wrong. Like someone with a more orthodox belief will have faith until the existence of their God even though his existence cannot be proven or disproven. Who knows what wonders will be discovered, what beliefs will be proven to be correct or incorrect, what mysteries will be explained or not explained in the future. It's impossible to make a definitive decision on anything without evidence. So some of us choose to believe/have faith in things that others don't. Rather than having a closed mind I think I'm very open minded as I don't discount the existence of things simply because they have not yet been proven to exist but am willing to change my opinion should evidence be provided to show that I am wrong.

In the meantime I will continue to believe in faeries, little people and nature spirits as my father did before me. It's a harmless belief that hurts no one but brings me pleasure and let's me enter a world of wonder and enchantment that I enjoy being in. If you don't want to believe then that's your choice but it's disrespectful to denigrate a belief simply because you don't agree with it.

I am not the one implying that those who dont believe have a closed mind. As I have mentioned all belief systems are open to challenge and humour is part of that challenge. So life of Brian , father Ted, all could be said to denigrate belief but all very important.

Especially kicking Bishop Brennan up the arse.

I love it when people who believe in fairies try to help me understand Schrodingers Cat and the nature of scientific progress.

. There are endless reruns in the middle of the night when I cant sleep, they were so well written.

I watch them too.
I was a latecomer to father Ted, but love it now.

Most religions hold a belief in Angels. Considered to live in a Liminal space - the space in betwixed and between. Sufis in particular have beautiful expansive language of the role of the angels as messengers between god and humans. Metaphysical supernatural beings be they Faery angel daemon the muse etc. Exist in the human psyche have done so for eons. They Inform and inspire us can be our guides if we open our wise and beautiful hearts to listen. And some are able to project and manifest this light into the material world.

I belong to a group for bereaved parents, and all of them (apart from me) think that their deceased children send white feathers, and various other "signs".

I think the point is, that they choose to believe, it does no harm, and hurts nobody.

I think it's a load of old twaddle.

Alegraias1. I'm sorry if I offended you but it seemed a reasonable (although not connected to science) way of conveying the idea that you cannot discount an idea just because you can't prove it. Hence faeries may or may not exist.

Does my belief in faeries offend you in some way? It's sometimes difficult to understand the meaning of a phrase when it's only seen in text form with no intonation but you seem to think that my belief in faeries is something to be mocked.

Vamp I have no problem at all with you believing whatever you think is right. It's not my place to tell you what to believe, or mock you for it.

But I do get a bit frustrated about people using serious scientific concepts to try to justify their beliefs, when that is not what they are about. And really, I don't want to offend you, but you have the wrong end of the stick about that cat!

vampirequeen as you say yourself, it’s harmless to believe in fairies, and it doesn’t matter on an anonymous forum what you say, but I would be careful about telling anybody in real life ( unless they admit the same beforehand.)

Miss A I have heard about the feather experience and agree with you, but does the comfort this gives the person outweigh
The twaddle factor, I think it probably does, and the person probably knows at heart that it’s nonsense but chooses, for that moment in time to believe that a softly floating bird feather is a message from the other side.It can do no harm.

I think it’s lovely that people think that, MissAdventure. I know several people that think if they see a robin it’s a loved one communicating with them, especially as it often happens on an anniversary of some kind.

Why should she be careful about saying it to people ‘in real life’. What are you implying?

Alegrias1 I was perhaps over simplifying it but as long as you understand that I'm not discussing quantum physics it's a decent analogy.

Lemongrove, I have told people in the real world. I don't know why I should be careful. It's the truth. I believe in faeries, little people and nature spirits. There's no shame in it and no one has ever thought less of me for my beliefs. Why should they?

Excuse my feeble understanding of science Alergrias1 but doesn’t quantum excitation show that from “nothing comes something “ CERN. In spiritual metaphysical language this would be the Liminal space. Quantum physics says “we already knew that we are made of things that are too small for our eyes to see. So how is it news that we only perceive a tiny sliver of reality? It's news because quantum mechanics says that the part of reality that we do not perceive is radically different than the part of the world that we do perceive.”

Has anyone seen Vinnie Jones talking about when his wife died, and the shooting star?

It's very, very moving, and he went from someone who dismissed "twaddle", to knowing it was a sign.

If it comforts him....

vampire just that most people don’t share your beliefs and it may put them off.
I have a friend ( book club) who told us all that she is a Quaker
( and that’s mainstream belief) and the room went suddenly quiet! She said later that she wished she hadn’t told anyone.
I guess the bottom line is that you have to be able to know well, or trust someone before you share anything as personal
As a belief in ‘the little people’.

What’s wrong with being a Quaker? Years ago a lot of our political meetings were held in the friends meeting house.

I'm not ashamed of my belief. I don't know why it would offend or shock anyone. It's an ancient belief. I've never hidden my belief. Even when I was a practising Roman Catholic and taught in a RC school. Even the priest knew. I find it very difficult to understand why your Quaker friend was treated in such a fashion. It seems a very rude and unkind thing for other people to do to her.

Sigh!
There’s nothing wrong with being a Quaker, or in believing in fairies, but some things make others uncomfortable, one of which is bringing belief systems ( rather unknown ones) out in front of people you don’t know well.
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