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Racists in Reform UK! Shock horror!!!

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sarahcyn Thu 15-Oct-26 21:35:33

Who'd have thought it!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/reform-racism-itv-investigation-burnham-b3067705.html?utm_campaign=View%20from%20Westminster%20Newsletter%2015-10-26

Chestnut Fri 16-Oct-26 11:16:45

Whitewavemark2

They are apparently using language and terms well known amongst paedophiles and those committing incest which means nothing to ordinary folk but has deep meaning amongst those foul individuals.

These are people who hope to run our country for heavens sake.

So let's get rid of these individuals. I keep saying it, these people are looking for a political home and will settle there unless they are booted out.

Let's hear some of the undercover conversations amongst people in the Labour party. They might be just as bad. We don't know, do we?

Maremia Fri 16-Oct-26 11:25:51

We are talking about the actual Reform officials caught on camera using their own words, that reflect racist, misogynistic beliefs.
Why not view the footage for yourself, and then come back to say what you found?

Maremia Fri 16-Oct-26 11:26:53

Are you excusing them Chestnut, on the premise that perhaps other politicians speak this way?

Casdon Fri 16-Oct-26 11:27:28

There are bad apples in every basket Chestnut. However there is no getting away from what this report reveals, or from the number of Reform councillors who have been forced to resign from their posts since the May 2025 elections due to their actions being inappropriate. It’s highly unlikely that there are the same endemic issues in the other parties, because they have not recruited so many councillors who have never served before, so they are largely known quantities and would have been exposed before.

Maremia Fri 16-Oct-26 11:28:59

'They', the ones caught on camera. 'They', simple as that.

Cossy Fri 16-Oct-26 11:38:17

nanna8

I know you don’t like them but to tar everyone in that party with the same brush is just libellous.I don’t like them,either and I don’t like the Green Party there or the ones here but I would never,ever judge them by individuals. Dig deep and you would find nasty people in every single party ,of that I am certain. The Labour Party are no Saints, far from it. Same applies to the Conservatives I am sure.

It’s the individuals involved in this we are condemning AND their leaders who appear at the least to ignore this, or at the very worst actively encourage it.

It’s simply not good enough.

No one on here, whatever their be political persuasion has ever said any political party or its members are perfect or free from scandal.

However in almost EVERY other political party in our country there are some very decent, hard working, MPs.

It would appear in Reform , their MPs all share similar moral compasses and sense of decency that the majority of people in this country do not share!

Whitewavemark2 Fri 16-Oct-26 11:38:54

I think that the argument being made that because of the racism, misogyny etc which is endemic in Reform it will attract racists and misogynists, far more than other parties.

Unless of course there is evidence to the contrary.

Cossy Fri 16-Oct-26 11:43:39

Chesnut “Whataboutery”, “what if” both are the very worst kind of deflection, and oft used to “excuse”.

I would feel the same if this was Labour, Green, Tory, LibDem, Monster Raving Loony Party, but this particular thread and said investigation is about Reform, not any other party.

Bring me evidence about other parties from credible sources and I’ll condemn them equally.

The biggest issue here for me is the scale of these Reform councillors and the rhetoric that their 7 or 8 MPs repeat day in, day out.

Cossy Fri 16-Oct-26 11:44:11

Whitewavemark2

I think that the argument being made that because of the racism, misogyny etc which is endemic in Reform it will attract racists and misogynists, far more than other parties.

Unless of course there is evidence to the contrary.

Bang on!

Cossy Fri 16-Oct-26 11:47:05

This is once source, the figures may differ slightly between sites,

“Best for Britain Tracker: Public trackers note that over 150 Reform UK councillors have resigned, been suspended, defected, or walked away since the local elections. More specifically, since the May 2026 local elections alone, over 52 Reform UK councillors have quit or been removed.”

Cossy Fri 16-Oct-26 11:50:04

Details of ITV Investigation

www.itv.com/news/2026-10-14/reform-councillors-told-to-resign-after-chilling-itv-investigation

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw3dj458re1vo

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-reform-uk-itv-undercover-chris-parry-b3067660.html

Chestnut Fri 16-Oct-26 12:01:18

Maremia

Are you excusing them Chestnut, on the premise that perhaps other politicians speak this way?

Of course I'm not excusing them. I've said clearly they need to be removed. I'm trying to give a balanced debate by offering another side to the discussion, which is what a discussion is about. We don't want everyone just nodding their heads and agreeing.

Dickens Fri 16-Oct-26 12:06:59

Excellent post Cossy at 10:18.

Yes, the 'leaders' v 'followers' is an important distinction which I think maybe nanna8 is missing.

What Farage and Lowe appear to actually want is to cancel welfare completely, keep women out of the labour market completely and push our country back to the 1950’s when we all “knew our place”.

It's been hinted at obliquely by Farage and others. Some more high-profile figures have also made it clear by their comments that they are indeed misogynistic in their outlook.

I think the belief is that in order not to have to rely on immigrant labour, we should produce our own home-grown force. That will of course require women to SAH, and there have been suggestions that life could be made a bit easier for mothers who do - along with ideas to penalise those women who don't.

If we, Farage et al, follow the American model - and that seems a fairly reasonable assumption as he (Farage) has allegedly spent more time in the US than he has in Clacton and makes no bones about his support for Trump, then would it also be reasonable to assume that there will be efforts to reduce the further educational opportunities open to women at present? My personal opinion is that a vote for Farage will ultimately lead to a very regressive and repressive government - for women. Farage himself may not be too extreme in this regard, but there are others, men - we don't talk about them much on GN - who, for various personal reasons quite literally hate women and want to see them disenfranchised.

If you'll bear with me for a moment... for many months now I've been 'following' various American men who espouse the manosphere on FB. They do vary in their insistence that women's role is purely to support men, but the more extreme individuals' views should alarm any woman who values her personal freedom and independence. But, the point I want to make is that, on checking their FB page, every single man who indicated a political allegiance, supported Trump. Of course along with others on FB there were those who kept their account private - or didn't appear to have any political 'interest', nevertheless, I think it's hugely important to note that those who did were behind Trump. And, of those, the number who called for the repeal of the - I think 21st Amendment, which gives women the right to vote - is high.

Farage might not take us down this route - but his party, and Restore's - will attract those who would, inevitably. And Farage will, one day, retire. I don't believe it's too fanciful to imagine a day in the future - under a Reform government - when he, Farage, would, historically, be regarded as the 'benign' face of the rightward movement.

Any GN member who has daughters and grand daughters should research Farage fully, specifically his ties with the MAGA movement, and the American Tea Party movement, not to mention his expansion into cryptocurrency where donations have connected the Party to Silicon Valley where he maintains professional relationships with prominent (and very rich) Trump-aligned crypto 'advisors'.

I'd seriously question how much he really cares about the 'left-behind', disenfranchised or 'forgotten' members of society, or whether he's using their legitimate grievances - he is very articulate and convincing - merely as a political tool to achieve his own agenda.

Casdon Fri 16-Oct-26 12:08:02

What we would need though Chestnut is some evidence that other parties are behaving in the same way. Journalists have been crawling over the minutiae of the doings of the Tories and Labour for many years, and have exposed various major issues as a result, but I don’t believe there has been anything of this breadth and magnitude?

Maremia Fri 16-Oct-26 12:26:12

Totally agree especially with that last paragraph Cossy.
Why do people think he cares about them?
What has he actually done to demonstrate this 'concern'?

Margs Fri 16-Oct-26 12:38:13

Are there really that many Reform councillors left? They seem to be changing sides or abandoning their political ambitions at a rapid rate, either because of policy disagreements or because they realised they can't run a political career in local government as a 'hobby'.

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 16-Oct-26 14:05:55

Nanna8, I have referred before to a local Reform councillor who was convicted of hate speech, as he was found texting his estranged wife telling her that he planned to put her in the boot of his car, and set it on fire.
I would be comfortable describing this man as a misogynist.

BlessedArt Fri 16-Oct-26 15:06:38

Whitewavemark2

It isn’t a question of Reform being taken over. They were racist from the start, that is why they have attracted all the dregs.

Too true

BlessedArt Fri 16-Oct-26 15:08:57

Chocolatelovinggran

Nanna8, I have referred before to a local Reform councillor who was convicted of hate speech, as he was found texting his estranged wife telling her that he planned to put her in the boot of his car, and set it on fire.
I would be comfortable describing this man as a misogynist.

I seldom see women haters who aren’t also racists.

BlessedArt Fri 16-Oct-26 15:14:23

Cossy

Chesnut “Whataboutery”, “what if” both are the very worst kind of deflection, and oft used to “excuse”.

I would feel the same if this was Labour, Green, Tory, LibDem, Monster Raving Loony Party, but this particular thread and said investigation is about Reform, not any other party.

Bring me evidence about other parties from credible sources and I’ll condemn them equally.

The biggest issue here for me is the scale of these Reform councillors and the rhetoric that their 7 or 8 MPs repeat day in, day out.

Indeed! False equivalence is an often used tactic for those confronted with indisputable details.

There is no one saying extremism is acceptable on either side, but to pretend that there is equally widespread hatred/bigotry ideologically regardless of party or leanings is just beyond disengenuous.

valdali Fri 16-Oct-26 15:16:25

There aren't many people in Reform though. There are a lot of supporters but not many who've actually stood for election, so to have such a lot of wrong uns is a bit like having a barrel of apples some rotten all through, most a bit manky & bruised, with one or two decent ones.
Difficult to sort the issue out by getting rid of the bad apples for Reform!

Dickens Fri 16-Oct-26 18:10:39

Chestnut

Let's hear some of the undercover conversations amongst people in the Labour party. They might be just as bad. We don't know, do we?

We don't, but however much we might put Farage/Reform under the spotlight on GN, I'm pretty sure the largely Right-wing press are doing similarly with the Labour party. Because, being Right-wing, it's their job. We hear details of what many would consider to be minor infractions because they are using a fine-tooth comb, so I'm pretty certain if there was even a hint at anything you might consider 'just as bad' - we'd hear about it.

... and the Tories are also under scrutiny, albeit to a lesser extent, but they are not immune from observation either.

So the assumption - which is what you appear to be making - that all parties are probably as bad but just haven't been found out yet, really points to whataboutery rather than any sound argument.

greyfur16 Fri 16-Oct-26 18:16:36

Whitewavemark2

They are apparently using language and terms well known amongst paedophiles and those committing incest which means nothing to ordinary folk but has deep meaning amongst those foul individuals.

These are people who hope to run our country for heavens sake.

Unbelievable.

greyfur16 Fri 16-Oct-26 18:20:30

Raymond Dunning, a Reform councillor in Tameside, Greater Manchester, was also recorded saying he would deport legal migrants and wished to train young men "so they can go street-by-street, house-by-house picking the c** up"

Perhaps a few posters who are in favour could join in?

Cossy Fri 16-Oct-26 18:30:13

Can you even begin to imagine the public outcry from Farage et al if any person of colour was observed speaking about white Brits in this way?

And yet, here we are with some of his lovely supporters getting little mobs together to protect us poor women and our daughters. It’s beyond irony!