What would an ideal far right country look right to those who would vote Reform?

No it doesn't get us any further, because the aim of your post, is as always, to categorise the Right, however designated, as Far Right, with references to Nazi leanings, your current obsession.

Peacelilydilly

Well we know what a far left one looks like with Labour not very good in my opinion.

Current Labour Party government is not far left for starters. You re entitled to your opinion and use your vote for your preferred party at the next GE.

You may or not be a Reform UK voter- if so you have not said what you are hoping for.

MawsRosie

This image will stick in my mind, (and craw ) just hope it’s not the DH of anyone here

This Reform UK supporter and the baying bystanders have shown by his actions what they hope for. Actions speak louder than words.....

eazybee

No it doesn't get us any further, because the aim of your post, is as always, to categorise the Right, however designated, as Far Right, with references to Nazi leanings, your current obsession.

Absolutely.

So nothing more to add from me.

fancythat

eazybee

No it doesn't get us any further, because the aim of your post, is as always, to categorise the Right, however designated, as Far Right, with references to Nazi leanings, your current obsession.

Absolutely.

So nothing more to add from me.

Yup, nailed it.
This country has never had a far left government or a far right one.
Restore Party is the nearest thing to it and they’re a fringe sideshow.

eazybee

No it doesn't get us any further, because the aim of your post, is as always, to categorise the Right, however designated, as Far Right, with references to Nazi leanings, your current obsession.

The OP mentions Reform UK by name- and makes no mention of Nazi leanings.

You may not categorise Reform UK as far right - 'far right' appears to have struck a nerve with you. However Wikipedia defines Reform as a right-wing populist and far-right political party in the UK Thus the OP is merely describing Reform in the same way- no reason to denigrate to OP for using the term the predominantly applied to Reform.

Meanwhile its entirely up to any Reform UK supporters whether they wish to stand up for their party and state what they are hoping for.

I am interested in Reform's " pledge" ( I put it in speech marks, because it changes from time to time) to raise the income tax thresholds considerably - was £20k mention?
Apparently, this will be funded by a cut to overseas aid.
I would welcome a clear analysis of the statistics supporting this proposal, as I can't make the calculations add up.
I may be wrong, of course, and I would welcome someone with a better understanding to assist me in this.
We might also need to be mindful of the potential for unlooked for consequences.
In the USA, the decision to stop sending soya beans as aid abroad was greeted with enthusiasm...until the farmers growing this crop went out of business pretty promptly.
I have looked at their education policies, and am disappointed to see that, unlike the previous policy, this paper has backed down from stating that universities would be required to teach only what Reform agreed. I wondered how well our fine institutions of higher education would react to this.

Lots of pointless discussion and no facts from people who would not vote Reform. even under duress.

Here is the Reform manifesto for the last election.
www.reformparty.uk/policies
Let us discuss it section by section, or possible group of sections where connected

Sections 1-4 are all about immigrants, legal and illegal. What are peoples's opinions on them.

The first problem I see there is that 1) many people destroy their papers so are stateless. 2) what happens if a country refuses to accept returning immigrants, whether it is France or the country of origin.

3) While retraining and workforce planning so that the structure of the workforce meets our requirements is an idea I would support. Doing this could take a decade or more. What will we do about lack of key professionals in the medical sector, for example in the meanwhile.

Right thats got things started. Possible Reform supporters will now come on board to defend or explain key policies as we go. So far the way this discussion has been conducted, if I were a Reform supporter I would nt be going near it.

No it really isn’t LemonJam when a goady thread is started to denigrate Reform posters, if I was one I would give this thread a very wide berth.
And although Nazi leanings may not have been brought up by the OP on here, it’s on many other threads likening Reform and its supporters to 1930’s Germany.
It’s starting to sound obsessive tbh.
We have never lived under a far right political party and it’s unlikely to ever happen.
Voters are attracted to Reform as they promise to stop the boat crossings in the main, there may be other reasons, one being that they promise to put the UK and UK citizens first.You can see the attraction.Unless the Conservatives agree a plan come the GE voting day with Reform, then Reform may gain a few MP’s but will never win an election.

Oreo Reform supporters are able to give this thread a wide berth should they choose as is the case for all threads. There does not appear to be very many Reform supporters posting so far none, so far, that have chosen to share broadly what they hope for across the policy agenda.

I agree the UK has never had a far right, right wing populist party like Reform UK in power. I disagree the OP wording is 'goady' as you describe. I do agree Reform UK is unlikely to ever win a GE.

Fallingstar

Peacelilydilly

Well we know what a far left one looks like with Labour not very good in my opinion.

I haven’t seen a far left government in the UK. Even Attlee et al were just socialists
You do realise that ‘far left’ means communism?
Are you saying that a Labour government are communists?

PLD is repeating that tired old USA right-wing meme that aligns Communism ----> Socialism----> the UK Labour Party ( which they see as "far left". )

Elon Musk is an enthusiastic supporter of AfD, so ar of MAGA.

So posters can stop being frightened by Reform.

Peacelilydilly

Well we know what a far left one looks like with Labour not very good in my opinion.

We don’t, and to the best of my UK political knowledge, never hav had a “far left” government.

Notwithstanding that;

What is it about this government which makes you so hostile?

Can you answer the OP’s question?

eazybee

No it doesn't get us any further, because the aim of your post, is as always, to categorise the Right, however designated, as Far Right, with references to Nazi leanings, your current obsession.

It’s a very straight-forward question.

One which has been asked, in many different way, many different times.

It’s not rocket science, what are you expecting Reform to push forward with, once they’ve stopped the boats?

It doesn’t matter that those of us who don’t support Reform agree or not, we simply wish to know.

Since Reform cannot get into power on their own it’s not worth considering what they would do.

It isn’t a goady thread at all. I’d like to know what Reform voters expect to happen if their party get elected.

I think it’s a goady thread,too .

M0nica- I find the Reform UK 'manifesto' compared to other party manifestos light- more statements as such.

For example the first main policy immigration- separated out to legal and illegal. Illegal:

We will leave the ECHR, intercept and detain all illegal arrivals, and deport them swiftly. There will be no loopholes or endless appeals" That's it- a broad statement. I note the party clearly does not undertake to stop the boats On the contrary it acknowledges they will continue to arrive. Reform UK then plans to detain them, (as currently), and then seeks to deport them "swiftly" However no detail of the legal framework the party will use to deport them as the UK comes out of ECHR, which it proposes, no timescales for deportation, and no mention of processing AS applications, to which they are legally entitled.

AS globally have the legal right to claim asylum under the umbrella of the 1951 Refugee Convention international treaty and the successive 1967 protocol. The Reform UK manifesto makes no mention of how Reform UK plans to circumvent this international legislation and how the British Judiciary would be obliged to ignore this legal framework. Currently we have an independent judiciary in the UK . It is of major concern to me if Reform UK, once is power will then seek to control the UK judiciary. My view is that a democracy is effectively underpinned by a separation between the state and an independent judiciary. Otherwise we will become an authoritarian state.

No mention of any detail of the UK replacement of ECHR to protect UK citizens' legal entitlements.

Regarding legal migration - not a million miles from status quo.

Those type of concerns continue for much of the 'manifesto'. Policy development does not appear strong to me and Farage has just sacked his senior advisor and Head of Policy - James Orr. I cannot easily see how Reform UK can transition in time from its current insurgent position to be a legitimate prepared functioning government at the next GE. Hence why I don't think they will win.

The populist sound bites like 'stop the boats' are attractive to many voters but there is little substance behind the sound bites to actually do so. In my view and others may differ. I am interested in differing views, hence why I am interested in how a Reform supporter would persuade me my concerns would be safely addressed.

LemonJam

M0nica- I find the Reform UK 'manifesto' compared to other party manifestos light- more statements as such.

For example the first main policy immigration- separated out to legal and illegal. Illegal:

We will leave the ECHR, intercept and detain all illegal arrivals, and deport them swiftly. There will be no loopholes or endless appeals" That's it- a broad statement. I note the party clearly does not undertake to stop the boats On the contrary it acknowledges they will continue to arrive. Reform UK then plans to detain them, (as currently), and then seeks to deport them "swiftly" However no detail of the legal framework the party will use to deport them as the UK comes out of ECHR, which it proposes, no timescales for deportation, and no mention of processing AS applications, to which they are legally entitled.

AS globally have the legal right to claim asylum under the umbrella of the 1951 Refugee Convention international treaty and the successive 1967 protocol. The Reform UK manifesto makes no mention of how Reform UK plans to circumvent this international legislation and how the British Judiciary would be obliged to ignore this legal framework. Currently we have an independent judiciary in the UK . It is of major concern to me if Reform UK, once is power will then seek to control the UK judiciary. My view is that a democracy is effectively underpinned by a separation between the state and an independent judiciary. Otherwise we will become an authoritarian state.

No mention of any detail of the UK replacement of ECHR to protect UK citizens' legal entitlements.

Regarding legal migration - not a million miles from status quo.

Those type of concerns continue for much of the 'manifesto'. Policy development does not appear strong to me and Farage has just sacked his senior advisor and Head of Policy - James Orr. I cannot easily see how Reform UK can transition in time from its current insurgent position to be a legitimate prepared functioning government at the next GE. Hence why I don't think they will win.

The populist sound bites like 'stop the boats' are attractive to many voters but there is little substance behind the sound bites to actually do so. In my view and others may differ. I am interested in differing views, hence why I am interested in how a Reform supporter would persuade me my concerns would be safely addressed.

I agree that the judiciary should be separate from the state for obvious reasons, indeed in the US we have seen how damaging it is to democracy when a government seeks to force the judiciary to toe the political line.
Also, I imagine many Regorm voters are unaware that the ECHR is also protecting their rights.
Any party attempting to chip away at human rights would not attract me as a voter who is both human and in favour of having my rights respected.

Oreo

So posters can stop being frightened by Reform.

I don’t think Gransnetters are the slightest bit “scared” of Reform or their likelihood to come anywhere close to winning an UK General election.

Reform may not consider themselves “far right” but this is how many, from any other parties or no party, see them.

I see no issue whatsoever, on a N&P thread, on a site where some have made it clear that they support Reform, in asking them and others, how they see the first few months of a Reform government.

I’m not a reform supporter, nor am I a supporter of the “far left”.

This is my vision, based on the action of their MPs and local councillors thus far;

Once the Royal Navy have refused (for the nth time) to intercept asylum seekers and return them to France and the RNLI have refused for the nth time too, to stop rescuing any in danger, I actually predict anarchy, protests and riots.

The sheer anger of some of Reform’s more robust supporters at their abject failure to “stop the boats” immediately will result in this kind of awful response.

I see nothing much within Parliament, because his MPs will be too busy arguing amongst themselves, inadvertently breaking parliamentary rules, because they didn’t bother reading about them and non-attendance at votes.

Coupled with complete frustration that passing legislation is such a lengthy wieldy process (for some very good reasons), and anger that the opposition and Lords will initially block most of their new policies.

Farage has stated publicly he will cancel the summer recess and make MPs sit in parliament for 24 hour stints if necessary and “flood” the Lords with Reform people, so nothing can be blocked.

Personally, I cannot imagine anything more damaging to our entire country and every citizen in it to even envisage a Reform Government.

MayBee70

It isn’t a goady thread at all. I’d like to know what Reform voters expect to happen if their party get elected.

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Equally OP should not be 'goaded' (if there is any goading going on) to stop the OP posing the reasonable question what would a far right country look like to those who would vote for Reform. I’m not sure. I know how reforms policies are beginning to shape up, but not clear what a reform voter hopes for

It's a reasonable enough question. If actual Reform voters do not view Reform as far right simply say you view Reform as more right wing than far right. The question stands surely whatever form of words they would prefer the Reform party to be described. They can set us all straight on the preferred form of words as a description.

E.g. 'I do not view Reform UK as 'far right' myself and I do not know what a 'far right' country would look like. I see Reform UK as right wing and this is what I'd like the country to look like under a Reform UK government'.

I don’t think it is goady, posters are trying to discover what kind of policies Reform are going to try to implement if in power.
Some have tried to ascertain this or to guess, but it would be great if someone actually knows what they stand for apart from small boats.

Oh and also what their actual policy on small boats is.

Not sure how asking a genuine question is 'goady'?
MOnica has posted a link that might be a starting point.
Haven't had a chance yet to peruse it.