Coming a close second to the daft idea of Britishness - is the idea to turf all non- British people out of all social housing.

That also sounds remarkably like something Farage and/or Lowe would say!

Just unimaginably cruel, heartless and, I would imagine, completely unlawful/illegal!

Whatever next, sometimes I despair and I was just “warming” to her as a half decent opposition! Not my political “flavour” of course, but strong, challenging opposition is so important.

I'm beginning to think she's lost her marbles.

Are non residents eligible for social housing anyway ? Sounds a bit strange when there is a waiting list of residents.

I think she is desperate to show that the Tories are taking as tough a line with ‘immigrants’ as Reform and Restore claim they would. She tends to shoot her mouth off without thinking of the consequences, which are now biting her, and she should have checked out what she was going to say in advance with her shadow cabinet, which contains some less impetuous individuals.

I wonder who is the advisor behind this idea.Like you. Cossy , I was starting to come round to the leader of the opposition, but this will do her no good at all and will go down as a really bad lapse of good judgement. A big ,big mistake for her future.
The plan is out of the" Icebox" of Trumpton government.It should stay there.

Her second lapse of judgement in a week - we had the very poor judgement of putting up Bonehill-Paine.

Just because facts matter this is the proposed policy as reported in the Times.

According to the Conservative Party's announced proposal under Kemi Badenoch:

Most foreign nationals who are not British or Irish citizens and do not have EU settled status would no longer be eligible for social housing.

The proposal would apply not only to new applicants but also to some existing tenants.

Those existing tenants who no longer qualified would be given six months to leave their council or housing association home.

For many years, certain non-British nationals have been eligible if they have a qualifying immigration status. Depending on the rules in force, this can include people who:

have indefinite leave to remain (settled status);
have refugee status or humanitarian protection;
have certain forms of limited leave that confer eligibility;
have EU settled or, in some circumstances, pre-settled status together with qualifying rights.

Being a foreign national does not by itself entitle someone to social housing.

They must also meet the same housing criteria as everyone else. Local authorities assess factors such as:

homelessness or threatened homelessness;
overcrowding;
medical or disability needs;
vulnerability;
whether they have a local connection to the area.

The recent Conservative proposal was controversial because it would have changed the first part of that test. Someone who was lawfully resident and who had previously been eligible -for example, because they had indefinite leave to remain but were not a British or Irish citizen - could become ineligible under the proposed rules, even if their housing need had not changed.

I think that Badenoch is pursuing the wrong strategy that Labour found to it’s cost - you simply can’t out reform - Reform.

She needs to plough her own furrow.

Whitewavemark2

Her second lapse of judgement in a week - we had the very poor judgement of putting up Bonehill-Paine.

Maybe there’s a link? Oh no wait a minute nothing in the policy about Jewish people being evicted.

This is a summary from Google of what has been suggested

230000 households. How many people for goodness sake.

Then of course there is the small matter of councils using our taxes to try to resolve what would become an existential crises.

Not to mention the issues about schools, child care, employment, community ties. KB has disgusted me twice this week but I’m not surprised -she’s always been in the category of ‘so sharp she’ll cut herself’ as my grandma would have said.

Whitewavemark2

I think that Badenoch is pursuing the wrong strategy that Labour found to it’s cost - you simply can’t out reform - Reform.

She needs to plough her own furrow.

Just my opinion but I dont see her as very bright but she seems to have a strong sense of entitlement. Mind you that's true of both far-right and far-left thinking. Both try to circumnavigate democracy. Conservatives have done better than her in the past - again, just an opinion.

Just wondering what happens if people are evicted from council housing and then have to get a private rental which they can't afford. At least some of them can apply for Universal Credit, which will cost the taxpayer.

I believe that Farage has the same plan, but of course intends to carry it out within 3 months instead of 6.

I hardly want to even think there’s a hope in hell of his ever forming a government but if he did, we do still have courts in this country. Oh wait a minute - the next bright idea? I don’t mean abolish the courts ( yet) but only British citizens allowed access.

Whitewavemark2

Then of course there is the small matter of councils using our taxes to try to resolve what would become an existential crises.

This! Not thought through and unworkable.

The Conservative government knew the Rwanda proposal was most likely unworkable- would come up against so many obstacles, would result in court cases, would cost so much money and probably wouldn't get off the ground. It didn't. Neither will this.

Some major problems for those who have a legal right to reside in Britain but do not meet Badenoch's proposed criteria:

1) If those already in council properties are evicted at 6 months- the council has a statutory duty to house them. Where!
2) those evicted have legal rights as existing tenants with an contract - breach of housing law.
3) The government will be guilty of unlawful discrimination by treating those that do not meet Bednoch's proposed criteria less favourably because of a personal trait and protected characteristic. Under the Equality Act 2010 the law bans this specific type of unfair treatment.
4) This would be both Direct discrimination that is treating a person worse than others because of a protected characteristic
5) Plus Indirect discrimination that is using a rule or policy that applies to everyone but puts people with a protected characteristic at a disadvantage.

The protected characteristic most likely used= Race, that includes, skin colour, nationality and ethnic origin.

Those evicted and those refused placement on a council housing waiting list could and most likely would take legal action the government for breaching the Equality Act 2010. As the law stands- slam dunk case.

Whitewavemark2

I believe that Farage has the same plan, but of course intends to carry it out within 3 months instead of 6.

Even more of an immediate existential housing crisis for local Councils!

Does nobody care that British families can’t get social housing, subsidised by the taxpayer, because it goes to migrant families? Why should somebody get it who has just arrived in the country compared to those born here? Somebody explain. Over 50% of social housing in London is occupied by migrants. 50% that cannot be allocated to young British families.

The comments on this thread are the usual. But in the real world there is anger about this all across the country.

Remember it’s all subsidised by taxpayers. I don’t want to subsidise them myself.

The statutory duty for councils to house is available online.

Housing criteria councils use to determine level of need also available on line.

The Equality Act 2010 protected characteristics available on line- Race is one of them.

If someone has the legal right to reside in the UK on what basis should they be treated any differently to anyone else as a result of their skin colour, nationality or ethnicity?

The problem is there is insufficient council housing available to meet demand- demand of all nationalities. Another thread maybe?

Harping back to another Thread, if the criteria for Britishness was changed, would Badenoch no longer be British? Something to do with birth tourism?
Would Prince Charles have to give up his palaces, as his father was born in Greece?

Silvershadow

Does nobody care that British families can’t get social housing, subsidised by the taxpayer, because it goes to migrant families? Why should somebody get it who has just arrived in the country compared to those born here? Somebody explain. Over 50% of social housing in London is occupied by migrants. 50% that cannot be allocated to young British families.

The comments on this thread are the usual. But in the real world there is anger about this all across the country.

Remember it’s all subsidised by taxpayers. I don’t want to subsidise them myself.

I don't know why place of birth is so important to some. There's nothing any of us can do about that. Maybe the right to social housing should be linked to participation in society, for those capable of doing so - whether that's by paying tax, having a job, taking a role in the community (such as a counsellor/school governor or similar), or whatever. I would much rather 'subsidise' someone who participates in society, regardless of where they were born, than someone who just has a sense of entitlement and a belief that someone else will pick up the tab.

Also, social housing is not subsidised when tenants pay full rent. As with private rentals, there are subsidies for those whose employers pay wages too low to cover the rent, and for those whose landlords charge more than people can afford to pay. I agree that those things are wrong, but they are not the fault of tenants. Taxpayers are subsidising stingy employers and greedy landlords - that needs to stop, IMO.

Silvershadow

Does nobody care that British families can’t get social housing, subsidised by the taxpayer, because it goes to migrant families? Why should somebody get it who has just arrived in the country compared to those born here? Somebody explain. Over 50% of social housing in London is occupied by migrants. 50% that cannot be allocated to young British families.

The comments on this thread are the usual. But in the real world there is anger about this all across the country.

Remember it’s all subsidised by taxpayers. I don’t want to subsidise them myself.

You do understand that many migrants are tax payers?