Andy Burnham now officially Leader of Labour Party.

Primrose53

Just saw a bit of his speech and sounds like he is going to make some big changes.

I still don’t get how he was only elected to Parliament a month ago but is going to become Prime Minister next week!

Quite easy to understand. KS resigned , AB stood for leadership, no one else did. Labour largest party so leader becomes PM. QED.

Primrose53

Just saw a bit of his speech and sounds like he is going to make some big changes.

I still don’t get how he was only elected to Parliament a month ago but is going to become Prime Minister next week!

Quite easy. AB decided he wanted to be PM, established a route to do that via various others willingly stepping down or being coerced into doing so and there you are!

He wasn’t that keen on the PM swapping without a GE when it was Tories, but that’s politicians for you.

Are we going to talk about his speech or rehash recent arguments?

I think he's made himself a real hostage to fortune.

Another psychodrama and who cares?

It’s a knocking thread,😑🍋 only please, it’s World emoji day.

Oh yes, so he is.

But he didn't actually say anything. Other than moving power from Westminster, it was just pretty words. Was that it? There has to be more than good oration.

As Tuliptree outlined the explanation is pretty straight forward. Starmer stood down the Monday after the Makerfield by election. AB put himself forward for leadership.

The leadership contest timetable has seemed short because it ended at first round. It ended at that stage because AB received the backing of 349 MPs ( out of a total of 411) in the first round. going by the numbers - ie other contender MPs between them only managed to secure the backing of 62 MPs between them.

AB therefore won at first stage as a result of overwhelming, unbeatable majority MP backing.

Sometimes, especially a new Labour Leader to the group of labour MP's, a little bit of oration goes a long way. Establish some trust & get the good news out there.
After all Kier was unpopular because he didn't change anything - but he made lots of beneficial changes. He just didn't do an oration about them. So in politics, don't knock it.
What about Churchill's speeches? Hot air? or real pull-together motivation?
Sounds to me as though he'll be to the left of Kier. More a Kinnochite than a Blairite.

I am not sure people understand where a significant part of the electorate are at. The lack of trust is partly based on the slogans of recent times. We are many years from Churchill.
The dancing reminded me of kinnock though. .

Maybe AB's ability to communicate with the public will be seen as a good thing rather than a bad thing albeit evidently anyone who does not support the LP and is anti AB is likely to remain a detractor.

One of the criticisms of Starmer was that he did not engage and communicate well with the electorate. AB undoubtably will be better.

Anyone who expects electorate trust to improve overnight and before AB is even PM is living in cloud cuckoo land- it takes time. Parliament is very soon going into summer recess anyway. Thus it will be autumn when AB's plans start to take shape and be communicated.

valdali

Sometimes, especially a new Labour Leader to the group of labour MP's, a little bit of oration goes a long way. Establish some trust & get the good news out there.
After all Kier was unpopular because he didn't change anything - but he made lots of beneficial changes. He just didn't do an oration about them. So in politics, don't knock it.
What about Churchill's speeches? Hot air? or real pull-together motivation?
Sounds to me as though he'll be to the left of Kier. More a Kinnochite than a Blairite.

We've just signed the biggest ever trade deal with India I believe. Soon after another one with [I think] Switzerland. But none of that ever made headline news. Keir didn't agree with brexit but respected the vote and has spent the last two years rebuilding our relationship with Europe and negotiating new trade deals along with dealing with Trump...not bad for two years in office. Imo. Oh and the number of people coming here on boats has dropped dramatically, too...

I care about our country and the people who live here so I want any government of any stripe to do a good job which benefits us all. I'd also like to see parties coming together for the common good and if AB manages to that better than it's been in the last few decades, he'll make me happy. the problems we have as a society can't be fixed with short term measure so we need a degree of altruism. Impossible? Probably but I'll give anyone a chance if they are prepared to give it a go and that's what I got from his speech today.

My Granny used to say, ‘Never trust a man without ear lobes!’
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I heard he has a plan to revolutionise social care....I do hope he gets to implement something, rather than allow all these private companies to run away with huge profits.

Well, the PLP gave KS 2 years to turn the country round so, in the spirit of fairness, AB has until July 2028 to do the same.

Presumably, by then we’ll all be bathing in £50 notes!

Just had an email asking me to join the Labour Party. Nice to know that they don't even realise I'm already a member

Andrew Burnham is a demagogue.

We’ve just sent £153 million of foreign aid to Pakistan.
£153 million! We shouldn’t be sending them anything until they agree to take back the disgusting grooming gang man who has just been released from prison. We are such a soft touch.

Keir Starmer has made some good choices at home and internationally. A man of integrity but for reasons I can’t begin to understand, many people didn’t not just dislike him, you’d hear the word hate.

I’m a Gtr Manchester person, a Labour Party member. I supported Keir and very reluctantly for numerous reasons agreed he should stand down. I’ve met Andy Burnham, seen him speak and as a Gtr Manchester person have seen the positive impact he’s had here. Not perfect but I don’t expect perfection.

Unfortunately Iam64 it appears the PLP does expect perfection!

eazybee

Andrew Burnham is a demagogue.

Utter nonsense

Primrose53

We’ve just sent £153 million of foreign aid to Pakistan.
£153 million! We shouldn’t be sending them anything until they agree to take back the disgusting grooming gang man who has just been released from prison. We are such a soft touch.

Ah yes, somebody else has trotted this out. Must be doing the rounds somewhere.

Primrose not sure what this has to do with your OP🤷‍♀️