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MaizieD Wed 17-Jun-26 12:14:29

Interesting reading from a tory defector to Reform who now wants to return to the tories. Published on 'conservative home'. which is free to read,

Discussing the factionalism within Reform

Reform are like one big HMO – they don’t like each other and are united by grievance alone.

Whilst speaking to grievance is a part of politics, good governance depends on those willing to serve in the public interest to fix the problems, not just spin them.

The infighting in Reform is toxic and make past Tory spats look like playground arguments.

He identifies the factions, then continues:

Another issue I had come up over again was how unprofessional the party is. They are not concerned about their own policy; it is here today gone tomorrow. They rewrite their own party rules quarterly to reflect the latest factional battles. The changes serve as a sort of historiography of who’s up and who’s down.

conservativehome.com/2026/06/17/robbie-lammas-i-made-a-mistake-defecting-to-reform-they-are-not-a-serious-party/

There was another article by a disaffected Reform group deputy leader flagged up here, but I don't have a subscription to the media which published it. He apparently described the party as 'toxic'

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This really isn't a party to seriously consider for government, is it?

Cossy Sun 21-Jun-26 14:35:04

fancythat

I sometimes feel, I am a younger generation to some posters on here.

You probably are, BUT I see that as a positive.

We almost have two generations in our children, two of 40 and 42 and then three of 24, 26 & 28.

I’m 68 this year and DH is going to be 71, I feel we are probably mid point in ages groups here l, but as has last three children much later than most, probably also have children the same age as some people on here have grandchildren.

All are welcome, all views are valid, we are all such different people it makes for interesting posts x

Shinamae Sun 21-Jun-26 15:50:35

Casdon

trib.al/CmIDNEN
Yes.
Here is her apology in Wigan Today.

There are NO Excuses for that…
She should be thoroughly ashamed….😲
(thanks for the link)

Shinamae Sun 21-Jun-26 15:54:30

Shinamae

Casdon

trib.al/CmIDNEN
Yes.
Here is her apology in Wigan Today.

There are NO Excuses for that…
She should be thoroughly ashamed….😲
(thanks for the link)

I want to be absolutely clear: I completely failed to realise its sickening implications or context. In the rush of a busy campaign day, it was viewed as entirely innocent, and I did not comprehend the true, disgusting meaning behind it.
That’s her excuse she must be an imbecile..

Dickens Sun 21-Jun-26 20:37:31

Shinamae

Shinamae

Casdon

trib.al/CmIDNEN
Yes.
Here is her apology in Wigan Today.

There are NO Excuses for that…
She should be thoroughly ashamed….😲
(thanks for the link)

I want to be absolutely clear: I completely failed to realise its sickening implications or context. In the rush of a busy campaign day, it was viewed as entirely innocent, and I did not comprehend the true, disgusting meaning behind it.
That’s her excuse she must be an imbecile..

That’s her excuse she must be an imbecile..

She didn't realise the implications of the message? They were quite clear - a serial paedophile is a preferred candidate to a Labour government.

A long day canvassing shouldn't addle her brain to that extent.

... and, I'm not being critical simply because she's the Cllr of a party that I abhor - if it was someone from the party I voted for, I'd have some serious misgivings about supporting it.

I can see why some people thought the image was photoshopped or AI created... that would've been my instinctive reaction, believing no one could be that stupid.

Either she's comfortable with child abusers (which I doubt) or she's thick - or you're right and she's an imbecile.

She's certainly mistaken if she thinks her explanation will wash.

Cossy Sun 21-Jun-26 22:21:59

Ilovecheese

Do you not recall this,

Several UK government departments have relocated thousands of civil service roles from central London to northern England through the Places for Growth initiative and recent Whitehall rationalisation plans.The departments that have established major hubs and second headquarters in the north include:HM Treasury: Established a major base, the Darlington Economic Campus, moving hundreds of Treasury and other department staff to the Tees Valley.Department for Business and Trade (DBT): Made Darlington one of its primary headquarters outside of London.Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (DSIT): Established its second headquarters in Salford, Greater Manchester.Home Office: Relocated thousands of roles, including teams tackling exploitation and abuse, to hubs in the North West.Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS): Set up significant operations in Manchester.Ministry of Justice (MoJ): Shifted thousands of roles out of the capital as part of a broad Plan for London strategy that includes regional hubs in cities like Leeds, Sheffield, and Manchester.Department for Energy Security and Net Zero (DESNZ): Established a significant energy campus base in Manchester alongside Aberdeen.These departments are in the process of cutting their central London office footprints by over a million square feet to save hundreds of millions of taxpayer pounds annually.

This raises two issues, 1) Many staff did not want to relocate, many had partners working in the South and many had children in Secondary schools or local colleges and vast relocation packages had to be found.

2) Move too many people to the North in a short period and house prices will start to rise, and pressures put on services.

It’s quite normal, though maybe deemed unfair, that govts are based in Capital Cities.

Cossy Sun 21-Jun-26 22:24:43

Fallingstar

Have also heard in favour of voting Reform, rather than saying ‘we just want to give ‘em a go’ or ‘I voted reform because Starmer is boring’, people saying ‘Reform say what others are too afraid to say’ or ‘they represent the silent majority’.
Both those statements are bogus.
Since the whole Brexit circus rolled into town people have not been afraid to say anything when it comes to illegal immigration or even immigration period. Indeed it seems that this is all people talk about including mainstream politicians with an eye on the main chance. If their voices were any louder or more shrill I dare say glasses would shatter. Nobody is afraid.
And who are the silent majority? Firstly as already stated, people are hardly silent and secondly nobody can calculate a majority until the next election.

👏👏👏👏👏

Dickens Mon 22-Jun-26 06:53:10

Cossy (Sun 21-Jun-26 22:21:59)

... that's quite a few departments relocated!

I'm guessing that existing staff who, for various reasons, did not want to relocate, will ultimately be replaced by locals - which has got to be a good thing.

Dickens Mon 22-Jun-26 07:15:32

Graphite

Hazeltine's observation on Farage gave me a little chuckle...

"He is Donald Trump’s vicar in Britain…"

The Reverend Farage grin

MayBee70 Tue 23-Jun-26 02:27:08

An article in the Times the other day summed up the sort of people who vote for Reform. A couple who lived in Spain returned to the UK because of Brexit. They now regret it and wish they still lived in Spain but can’t because of the 90 day rule. They’re so fed up of this country that they plan to vote for Reform totally ignoring the fact that one of the main people behind the very Brexit that caused their problem in the first place is the leader of Reform. confused