Migrants Hated everywhere??

@Cossy "*I wonder do if these same people ever consider the vast amount of British people who live across the world, Canada/USA/Europe/UAE being the most common, and the reasons for moving are also varied.

In some countries the “natives” despise British interlopers, especially those who label themselves “ex-pats”. Reasons for disliking them? They don’t integrate, some don’t learn he language, some are disrespectful to locals. Mmmmm, sounds very familiar. *"

Especially to anyone familiar with British history. WE were the ultimate invaders by boat/sea; colonising half the world ; imposing our culture, beliefs, religion and language; we certainly did not follow the mantra of " when in Rome do as the Romans do". Wherever we went, we did it our way. We took their assets to make our homeland the most desirable safe secure rich lucky country in the world and now we wonder why they risk everything to come here. By boat.

Wasn't it our strongest toughest most determined young men who sailed off at any risk, to seek their fortunes thousands of miles from home?

We set the rest of world an example they haven't forgotten, and we should remember it.

Aveline

Do many white people try to hack the heads off innocent passers by very often? Just asking.

No. Not many immigrants do either, as far as I know? Which is why this particularly horrific crime received so much attention and caused outrage.

I’m guessing that most people haven’t heard of Phoenix Spencer-Horn?

butterandjam

@Cossy "*I wonder do if these same people ever consider the vast amount of British people who live across the world, Canada/USA/Europe/UAE being the most common, and the reasons for moving are also varied.

In some countries the “natives” despise British interlopers, especially those who label themselves “ex-pats”. Reasons for disliking them? They don’t integrate, some don’t learn he language, some are disrespectful to locals. Mmmmm, sounds very familiar. *"

Especially to anyone familiar with British history. WE were the ultimate invaders by boat/sea; colonising half the world ; imposing our culture, beliefs, religion and language; we certainly did not follow the mantra of " when in Rome do as the Romans do". Wherever we went, we did it our way. We took their assets to make our homeland the most desirable safe secure rich lucky country in the world and now we wonder why they risk everything to come here. By boat.

Wasn't it our strongest toughest most determined young men who sailed off at any risk, to seek their fortunes thousands of miles from home?

We set the rest of world an example they haven't forgotten, and we should remember it.

This ^

Excellent post - I've basically viewed it that way all my life, as my parents discussed it with us as we clumsily and sometimes so hastily and murderously* ended Empire but the school geography books were still filled with pink areas

*just one is a good enough example - the division of the Indian subcontinent

"2 million people died during the violent communal riots and refugee crises that accompanied the 1947 Partition of India. This unprecedented humanitarian disaster also displaced roughly 15 million people as Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims fled across hastily drawn borders"

Yes all of that pink.
The Empire on which the sun never sets.
We went there, now they want to come here.

Many asylum seekers just want to work and be able to send money home to their families. That's the main reason young fit men arrive, you may not like that but to suggest it's to rape and harrass women is IMO appalling racist rubbish.

Why allow people who come from who knows where, into the UK arriving illegally on small boats having paid thousand's to criminals to come her many throwing documents into the sea. They go through safe countries to get here. We should close the entry system until the backlog is cleared, until who we know who is here. That's why we need ID cards, the people that object, whoever they are get nothing off the State. If you haven't lived next door to a hostel or gangs of young men roaming the parks and streets and you object, take them in. We should be like other countries, you learn this language and get a job, swear allegiance to our Country and no more bringing all your relatives over.If they commit crimes whilst waiting for legitimacy, send them back, our prisons are full already,.
Have the communities they are put into, no rights? it would appear not. No one listens to them. It is not racism its survival. No wonder the young have such mental health issues, its like the animals running a zoo. We appear to have more than enough money for housing illegal immigrants, than public services, NHS etc.

I think that it gives the potential for offering simple answers to complex questions.
Housing / the NHS/ no jobs for young people/ number of people on benefits..etc.
All of these are multi faceted problems requiring a long term strategy.
It can feel that sometimes, there is a rhetoric that simply stopping all immigration will solve these difficulties overnight.

It's interesting reading about how Sweden, Denmark and Germany are managing what now seems to be problematical immigrants. It's not just us.

Allsorts

Why allow people who come from who knows where, into the UK arriving illegally on small boats having paid thousand's to criminals to come her many throwing documents into the sea. They go through safe countries to get here. We should close the entry system until the backlog is cleared, until who we know who is here. That's why we need ID cards, the people that object, whoever they are get nothing off the State. If you haven't lived next door to a hostel or gangs of young men roaming the parks and streets and you object, take them in. We should be like other countries, you learn this language and get a job, swear allegiance to our Country and no more bringing all your relatives over.If they commit crimes whilst waiting for legitimacy, send them back, our prisons are full already,.
Have the communities they are put into, no rights? it would appear not. No one listens to them. It is not racism its survival. No wonder the young have such mental health issues, its like the animals running a zoo. We appear to have more than enough money for housing illegal immigrants, than public services, NHS etc.

Fantastic post, spot on in your observations. We have no rights, are not listened to. As you say, its survival, not racism.

This Government does not care what those think who are not likely to vote for them anyway.

Agree. Great post Allsorts.

Am sure that there are political solutions to increased immigration that are humane and not just knee jerk responses to the situation that are playing to the gallery. Sadly these responses are probably long term and complex, not vote winners, so governments of every hue are not prepared to go down this particular road.
Certainly Reform’s suggestion of using The Royal Navy is totally off the wall and will never happen.

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Meanwhile we ignore the herd of elephants in the room, huge political issues such as the cost of living crisis, a lack of affordable housing, problems with law and order, problems with defence, a failing NHS, problems with education.
Politicians must be rubbing their hands with delight at being able to provide such a smoke screen. And am not suggesting that the issue with illegal immigration isn’t a political issue, but it isn’t the only one yet a lot of the time it feels as though it is.

What people don't seem to understand is that most countries with land and sea borders will get unregulated immigration. Sweden used to have an open door policy to migration and has tightened it's laws considerably in recent years so they are now comparable with what the UK has. However, they don't get many arriving by small boat because it's a 20 hour journey by ferry across the Baltic Sea. Try doing that in a rubber dingy even when the weather is good!
Germany has managed to reduce it's irregular migration by refusing entry at land borders (it's easier to do that if you are not sending people back into the sea!) but is a hub for people traffickers that are fueling the channel crossings.
Denmark's laws are now so draconian that it is an unattractive place for both migrants and genuine refugees raising a serious question of whether they are contravening humanitarian laws. The UK has also decreased immigration since the Labour government came into power but it is incredibly difficult to prevent people traffickers putting people into small boats without the cooperation of the rest of Europe and we chose to walk away from that.
There are no easy answers.

We have no rights

Has something changed suddenly?

I live in the North West of England we have the most supported Asylum seekers than anywhere else in the the country.

We have cheap housing so terraced houses are bought up by investors and turned into HMOs. You do not need planning permission if it's for 4 people or less in my area so they are popping in every terraced street. If a house goes up for sale the neighbours are anxious about who is going to live there.

On top of that we are in the top ten areas for child poverty ( which is mainly populated by Muslims) and have city of sanctuary status. The area is already deprived and we are a dumping ground for people who contribute nothing to the community.
People are fed up and angry that this has happened and nobody in government has listened.
So for all you posters on here saying people who vote for Reform are idiots, racist, uneducated or any other insulting name are not seeing the bigger picture.

Reform are saying the right things especially the idea have housing Asylum Seekers in areas where the people voted the Green party into power.

I would like to see EVERY Local Authority take there fair share of Asylum Seekers whatever the cost and impact it would have on THEIR communities. Until that happens I will be voting for Reform .

We are all just people - we bleed the same blood, we share the same genes, we have the same needs .......

The phenomenon of "othering" people and treating them as a species apart is what brought us the holocaust.

Under the skin we are all the same.

And within that there are good and bad, intelligent and dim, brave and cowardly .........

The migrants trying to enter our shores are just people and their motives will be good or bad (reflecting our common humanity). Some will be people smugglers, drug dealers or thieves; some will be people fleeing political persecution or poverty or wanting a better life for their loved ones, many of whom will have been duped and fleeced by the people traffickers. But in the end they are just people like us.

I am not naive - I know that the movement of all these people across Europe seeking a new life can create massive problems; but we must deal with those problems on the basis that these are fellow human beings. We may not like what is happening but our policies for dealing with it must be based on respect for all people.

There is no simple solution - so many countries are grappling with this. We cannot wave a wand and make the countries they are fleeing good places to live. And so many British people have left our shores having little to complain about - they have settled all over the place because they fancy a change or better weather - and they have often brought problems in their wake.

If we go down the right-wing response of despising these fellow people then we reduce ourselves.

Aveline

Do many white people try to hack the heads off innocent passers by very often? Just asking.

There are some recent cases if you fancy trawling the internet.

Dorisdodar is going to be voting Reform - I wonder what she thinks this policy-free party will do about this global problem.

We can listen to the rhetoric from them, but they have no solutions any more than any of the other European countries have.

most of the extreme heinous crimes and rapes in this country are done by migrants, or from migrant families whose sons have been born in this country. - peddling this inaccurate nonsense should be a hate crime.

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The BBC had an item this week whereby they stated that there was disproportionately regarding violent and sex crimes committed by migrants/asylum seekers from Afghanistan, Sudan and a couple of other countries.

I didn’t catch the entire item, but snippets of it were replayed on BBC Newswatch this morning as there were complaints regarding these facts being reported…

Do you happen to know the source?

Dorisdodar *you are somewhat misleading us.

Many big cities have a City of Sanctuary, it is a charity set up not only to help refugees but others too, homeless, people marginalised by serious mental Illness wandering about, and so on

Here, for example (I wont give my own city, for ID reasons) is Manchester.

manchester.cityofsanctuary.org

Have a good look at it. It is a Charitiable Endeavour often with strong multi faith support.

Its voluntary service - sometimes the council will find one key worker - at its best in the UK, as I say, many others wander in too. Many Quakers I know volunteer there.

To repeat - it's a charity in place because of grassroots actitivy to make it happen!