What needs to happen to stop violent protest on the streets of Southampton against the police and to stop agitators wrongly targeting police officers on line with death threats?

MissAdventure

I've seen it said that the police themselves are in fear of being labelled racist for not following the current training they're recieving.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Listing to a lawyer who was a prosecutor on one of the grooming gang trails said that in the course of that investigation he had spoken to many police officers.
He claimed that all of them told him they were shackled
That says it all.

MissAdventure

Whatis wrong with farage's conments abour Sarah's murder?
If its whay I've jusy watched, i really can't see the issue.

It’s this MissAdventure, taken from the link I posted above.

‘The horrific case made headlines across the country, but on this occasion instead of calling for ‘pure, cold rage’, Farage said Everard’s death ‘must not turn into attacks on men and police.’

People have been resharing Farage’s comments from the time, asking what could possibly be the reason for his differing responses to both tragedies….’

MissAdventure

Whatis wrong with farage's conments abour Sarah's murder?
If its whay I've jusy watched, i really can't see the issue.

The issue is that his message was the complete opposite of his inflammatory comments earlier this week. Now why would that be?

I don't see that his not being an MP is of any relevance. He was still the high profile leader of whatever he was calling his party ant the time and politically active.

Just as people are asking how the murder of George Floyd can illicit such different responses to the death of Henry Nowak.

I don’t think you can compare George Floyd and Henry Novak cases though, Floyd was in the USA, and the policing methods are quite different there to the UK. I think we should take our lead in the way this is dealt with from Henry’s parents, we should listen to what they say and try to adhere to their wishes for the future. In that I include all politicians, who should have great respect for their dignified handling of what is the worst event of their lives.

Sorry, it autocorrected Nowak to Novak.

There are probably loads of reasons why this is constitutionally impossible, but - I would like to see a condition for those who are eligible to stand as a democratic representative, that would make anyone who had incited a violent protest in which security or police officers are injured, and had made no effort to condemn the violence, would be ineligible to stand for election - ever.
Trump should have been banned from standing for a second term after he attempted to overturn democracy by telling the crowd that the election result was fake, to march on the capitol and not calling that off until an hour or so later, by which time the Capitol had been stormed with the loss of multiple lives.
It's a crazy world that then lets him stand again in a free election.

Yes, i take your point, Casdon
Is there going to be a,more appropriate time to face, and talk about the murder?
I realise it totally goes against Henry's fathers wishes to politicise it, or use it as an excuse for violence and racism.

We are doing more than acknowledging and speaking about fhe very points his father is so obviously aware of.

Ohh, i meant no more than speaking about whay went on.
For example, if we hadn't, there are people who believe the murdrerer claimed to be stabbed.
Others agreed with the persons points raised.
But the murdeder didn't claim he had been stabbed.
When asked, he said there wers no weapons at the scene.

I think, MissAdventure ,that my issues are with Mr Farage's differing responses to these two terrible events.
The behaviour of the police at the death of this young man incurrs his " cold, hard, rage" .
The behaviour of the police officer who sought out, raped, murdered, and buried Ms Everard did not.

Agree with you valdali.

Chocolatelovinggran

I think, MissAdventure ,that my issues are with Mr Farage's differing responses to these two terrible events.
The behaviour of the police at the death of this young man incurrs his " cold, hard, rage" .
The behaviour of the police officer who sought out, raped, murdered, and buried Ms Everard did not.

Thank you, ChocolatelovingGran.
I see what you're sayng.

Yes, exactly!

valdali yes, whipping up people against the police close to charges of incitement.

There is another protest planned today in Southampton by a group called Southampton Patriots. Following a march to acknowledge the D day anniversary theres a vigil for Henry Nowak, then a protest against two tier policing.
A local festival for Eid has been cancelled.
I do hope there isn’t a repeat of earlier trouble, but I’m not confident.

My heart sinks reading that.

Jaxjacky

There is another protest planned today in Southampton by a group called Southampton Patriots. Following a march to acknowledge the D day anniversary theres a vigil for Henry Nowak, then a protest against two tier policing.
A local festival for Eid has been cancelled.
I do hope there isn’t a repeat of earlier trouble, but I’m not confident.

What’s the betting that the “protestors” (thugs) will be bussed and trained in?! As has happened in our small, very diverse city in Scotland: where thankfully the number of local counter-protestors telling them to bugger off exceeded their number.

MissAdventure

My heart sinks reading that.

Mine too.

I’m hoping the rather inclement weather may deter some of them.

Round up the organisers and make them sit through the hours of meetings which I'm absolutely sure are going on behind the scenes. (No drugs or alcohol available during the meetings.)

Well some party metropolitan mayors are simply not willing to sit through meetings and discuss how to stop civil unrest in their localities following Henry's murder. If they dont like to discussion they walk out.....

Andrea Jenkyns, Reform Mayor, walked out of a meeting with a cabinet minister and several other metropolitan mayors on Thursday after a heated discussion about the murder of Henry Nowak and the civil unrest that has followed after a row over the role social media has played in exacerbating community tensions.

The argument is the latest sign of the political tensions that have flared in the wake of Nowak’s murder by Vickrum Digwa, a Sikh man who falsely told police Nowak had racially abused him. The incident has prompted demonstrations attended by far-right activists, leading to violence and arrests. Keir Starmer and others have accused the X owner, Elon Musk, of exacerbating those tensions with near constant posting about the case over the last few weeks. The prime minister has also accused the Reform leader, Nigel Farage, of exploiting Nowak’s death for political purposes.

Thursday’s meeting was between Reed and metropolitan mayors from various parties and the final segment was given over to a discussion about social cohesion given the events of the last few days

According to several sources at the meeting, Reed opened the discussion by saying he believed non-state actors were deliberately trying to stoke divisions in Britain, often using social media to do so. He specifically blamed hostile foreign actors for exacerbating the tensions seen on the streets of Southampton in recent days and asked the mayors for ideas to promote social cohesion.

Those there say Jenkyns seemed to react angrily to comments, especially to the remarks about social media. Warning those in attendance that she was about to drop a truth bomb she said she believed there could be no social cohesion without freedom of speech and accused others of trying to deflect from criticism of Starmer’s handling of the murder case. The topic of discussion however was how to promote social cohesion.

Steve Rotheram, the mayor of Liverpool, rejected her comments and accused her of having previously been part of a Conservative government that ignored the suffering of the families of those who died at the Hillsborough disaster. The argument then continued between Jenkyns and Tracy Brabin, the mayor of West Yorkshire, at which point Jenkyns muttered something under her breath and walked out.

Afterwards, Jenkyns told the Guardian: “The claim that I stormed out is a total exaggeration by a panicked Labour party clutching at straws ahead of a by election. I simply left the meeting 15 minutes early because I am not a person who can sit around and listen to hypocrisy. “I stood up and calmly argued that true social cohesion is impossible without genuine freedom of speech, and that the current obsession with divisive identity politics and two-tier policing is leaving ordinary communities feeling completely unheard

Jenkyn’s needs to have a word with Farage to see other she can persuade her party leader to stop bleating on about 2 tier policing and to stop his divisive identity politics

As far as I'm aware the Labour Party has made no comment to date about Jenkyn's decision to walk out of the cabinet meeting. I'm not clear either how her decision to walk out has any relevance to the Makerfield by election.

What does she mean by "freedom of speech"? Is it a euphemism for saying whatever you like, no matter how offensive or inflammatory?

Jenkyns didn't say- and maybe she isn't aware we have freedom of speech laws in the UK 🤷‍♀️

LemonJam

Jenkyns didn't say- and maybe she isn't aware we have freedom of speech laws in the UK 🤷‍♀️

I suspect what she means is that she doesn't want equality laws which outlaw calling people with certain characteristics names. It would also mean that people can tweet calls for others to set hotels full of people on fire (because it was only "hurty words" and a joke - ha ha!).

twaddle

What does she mean by "freedom of speech"? Is it a euphemism for saying whatever you like, no matter how offensive or inflammatory?

It will be her insomnia, scrambling her brain.