Another appalling attack

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

What an appalling thing to say.
Imagine the reaction if Muslims were being attacked on the streets and in their mosques, and their children needed protection to go to school, and then someone said, well it’s a two way thing- Hamas should not have murdered and raped Jews on October 7th.

I agree. It is appalling but so is the way the Palestinians have been treated by the Israelis over the years. Read about how hard life was made for them. Two wrongs most certainly don't make a right but I can see clearly how the resentment against the Israelis has built and built until it burst out in that shocking raid.

Bringing West Bank into this thread discussing attacks on Jews in London is an attempt to dismiss Antisemitism

One of the key features of anti semitism is an inability to see Jewish people as victims.

There are victims in the opposing communities in Israel and Palestine. Going back a long way.

If we ignore the effect world events are having in the UK and other countries, we can't see the whole picture. We can't fully address the issues. Denial isn't helpful.

Efforts to bring communities together, for me, ie interfaith, are one of the most powerful ways ahead, as well as necessary protection.

If we continue to suggest an either/or, we too are falling into the trap. We need to see also the rooted racism in our culture going back a long, long way.

Sigh....I wish there was an obvious way of protecting our Jewish communities and individuals. Yes more police etc but it doesn't take away any reasons for the heightened attacks.

Here's one Jewish lady for the US who's trying to work on mutual understanding. she's coming to give a talk to our women's interfaith group. Its about two women, both in Israel, and the way they gradually came to understand each other.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsg7VTUjYLI

I am not in denial. I don't want that war fought out on our streets.

High time antisemitic attacks came with much harsher penalties. If that takes an act of Parliament, so be it.

Wyllow what caused pogroms in Russia, What caused the Holocaust? You have understanding of these ?

Of course not. Who does but if we fail to understand all the factors possibly involved, we cannot address the problem fully.

Attacking one person for the wrongs committed by another just because they share an ethnicity or religion is unjustifiable no matter how you spin it. I am fed up with the 'of course it's wrong but..........xyz........you can see why they're angered and you have to understand'. Strange how it only ever seems to apply to attacks on Jews, we never seem to see these arguments when the attacks are on other groups. No they're condemned without a single 'but'.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 yes, my Jewish friends are wealthy, they are in a position that they could relocate anywhere in the world (as could their children)

My point is ^why should they have to?^

That is my point as well. But meanwhile.

I so agree Rosie why try to understand, it’s wrong

Oh I do know that! But the point being that they don’t feel safe and secure in their community.

No of course you shouldn’t have to, but in the absence of this feeling of safety etc, what I’m suggesting is - oh it doesn’t matter.

It all amounts to the same thing. No one, whatever their race or religion should be in fear for their lives, living peaceful lives within their own community. But then this is happening to communities all over the world isn’t it? Many families choose to stay and resist the hatred, others choose to up sticks and try to find somewhere, where they can bring up their children in safety and security.

I guess it amounts to personal choice in the end.

Fradders

Glad they caught him,but having seen the video of the arrest,it is utterly disgraceful.Two policeman repeatedly kicking the suspect in the head!…….this is when he was on the ground having already been tasered!Lucky he is still alive,they were really kicking him hard.Glad it is on video though.

Oh FFS, read the bloody room!
This monster has just stabbed two innocent people.
You behave like that, you give up your “human rights”.

Why should Jews in London not. Feel safe ?

Anniebach

Why should Jews in London not. Feel safe ?

Everyone in London should feel safe.
Just awful.

Some of the current Jewish population will have ancestors who came to the UK to escape the Russian pogroms. Now look what is happening. Utterly and totally disgraceful. Wishing the victims a speedy recovery.

Wyllow3

Of course not. Who does but if we fail to understand all the factors possibly involved, we cannot address the problem fully.

Note - I was replying to Galaxy, not Annie.

Maybe that's why you asked me Annie, "Wyllow what caused pogroms in Russia, What caused the Holocaust? You have understanding of these "

You know I do, we've been discussing this now for over 3 years. I've repeated several times about my families involvement settling Jewish refugees after WW2, my Dad joining in Cable Street, my political education as to the details of the Holocaust.

If I criticise now it is for a regime.

It is the same here in Australia. All those marches didn’t help, either. Some are too thick to realise marching against violence in another country does not equate to turning on people who are not associated with that war in any way.

Thinking about it, because it has been mentioned here, I don't understand the comment about how moving out of GG as a Jew would dilute the concentration of the Jewish faith.

Golders Green is already a very multicultural area as are most suburbs in London, so I don't buy the idea that the residents would have a better understanding of each other if there were more diversity of faiths and fewer Jews. Londoners of all religions, (GG residents are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh and nothing at all), understand each other very well, in terms of living side by side, so for me, as a Londoner, I don't see moving away as being necessary or helpful.

And why move away from what actually has been a pretty safe, pleasant area with everything you want on the doorstep?

The bottom line is, Jewish people should feel safe in Golders Green or anywhere else. They don't anymore. You can take them out of the area, but you can't take antisemitism out of the next place they go to.
It follows Jewish people everywhere, and it's wrong.

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Today in Golders Green, north London, Met 999 response team officers, who were unarmed, responded to a man armed with a knife who had just stabbed two people in a terrorist attack near a synagogue.
They deployed a Taser. He kept going. So they put him on the floor the old-fashioned way and took the knife off him. Suspect arrested, public safe, officers fine.
And naturally, before the bodycam footage had even finished buffering, the professional bystanders were already typing.
These are the people whose closest experience of disarming a knife-wielding terrorist is watching it happen on their laptop screen, usually while sitting in their dressing gown with a cup of tea. Real tactical experts, these ones. Invaluable insight from people who have never once been required to make a life-or-death decision under pressure, in the street, with a knife coming at them, and whose only contribution to public safety is a strongly-worded tweet.
Officers Tased him. He did not stop. There are two people in hospital right now because this man was willing to stab strangers on a Wednesday morning in the name of terrorism. The officers did not have the luxury of a second opinion, a working group, or a comment section. They had a knife in their faces and about half a second to react.
They did their jobs. Brilliantly. Against a man who had already proven he would not stop.
So to every keyboard warrior currently explaining what the officers should have done differently: your expertise is not required. Your outrage is not valid. And frankly, your silence would have been far more useful.
Massive credit to every officer on scene this morning. Proper job. The officers who responded are a credit to the uniform and a credit to the nation.

Rosie51

Attacking one person for the wrongs committed by another just because they share an ethnicity or religion is unjustifiable no matter how you spin it. I am fed up with the 'of course it's wrong but..........xyz........you can see why they're angered and you have to understand'. Strange how it only ever seems to apply to attacks on Jews, we never seem to see these arguments when the attacks are on other groups. No they're condemned without a single 'but'.

Thanks for this Rosie51
Nothing excuses attacks against Jews because of what’s happening elsewhere in the world.
There simply aren’t any ‘but’ moments.

ferry23 Well posted!

The government is now giving another 25 million for the safety of the Jewish community. There will be more police allocated.
The problem is they can't be everywhere at all times. That is just not possible. This attacker has serious mental health issues and was out on the streets which is another issue that is difficult to solve.
Extra security for the Jewish community is good but it doesn't solve the problem of unreasonable hatred so attacks will go on.