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Mandelson failed security vetting. Starmer says he didn’t know

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Primrose53 Thu 16-Apr-26 20:12:36

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2r15151xgo

Well, well, well.

Casdon Thu 23-Apr-26 14:04:54

ronib

From memory, polling figures are not always accurate? Starmer hasn’t acted in a way to inspire the electorate from beginning to hopefully what will be the end soon enough. On his head be it.

Cumulatively, yes, polling figures are accurate. The result of one poll isn’t, but the result of a year’s worth of polls is.

Graphite Thu 23-Apr-26 14:15:20

Cat Little was very precise in her evidence to the FAC.

She only said she could not give an opinion when she was asked to speculate on what was said as meetings she was not present at or to speculate on decisions she did not make.

It is something I have notice through watching these FAC enquiries. Some of the MPs on the committee are not very skilled at formulating and asking questions or ask the same questions that have already been asked. The witnesses have shown great patience in answering them.

Little’s brief is only to gather and collate the documents required to satisfy the requirements of the humble address. What she made clear was how careful she has to be in collating documents which will be made public so that the ongoing criminal investigation is not compromised. She explained that she had had to seek high level legal advice on this which delayed passing documents to the PM by some weeks.

Oreo Thu 23-Apr-26 14:27:10

Emily Thornberry is very impressive on a committee.

ronib Thu 23-Apr-26 14:29:30

Seems a bit odd to have a restricted brief when appearing in front of a panel of MPs. I can understand the need to protect information which may be needed to prosecute Mandy in the future but Cat Little seemed very good at stalling and not answering questions. I thought Emily Thornberry wasn’t confined to facts surrounding the Humble Address?

petra Thu 23-Apr-26 15:02:22

Armando Iannucci gave a wonderful analogy with what’s going on in number 10 and the sinking of the Titanic.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002vc9p
His piece comes in at 07. 46.
Sooo clever.

petra Thu 23-Apr-26 15:15:47

AGAA4

It looks as though Starmer will be keeping his job for now as there is nobody suitable to replace him.
One MP said that Starmer was finished now and would not be there at the next GE so no need to rush for the time being.
Others are saying that had Andy Burnham been in government Starmer would have been ousted before now. They think Burnham would be a likely candidate for PM.
Sadly I think Starmer's days as PM are numbered now.

In your post you mention the word Now 3 times.
On the radio this morning a commentator who has worked in parliament for 25 years, said look out for the word NOW
He gave the same reasons you did.

twaddle Thu 23-Apr-26 15:29:42

No, Oreo, not like myself!

Samwam Thu 23-Apr-26 15:56:11

To get a true picture of Labour and Starmer read Jonathan Cook Independent journalist.

'Labour Together' the key players in Starmers rise to No 10 now gone, the huge slush fund from big business donors, undeclared, for the benefit of the rich and only them the same as American politics.

Also Labour are bringing in Palantir into our NHS. Why?

What is Labour now.

Main Stream Media won't cover this it's not in their billionaire interests.

Susieq62 Thu 23-Apr-26 16:05:44

Just to let you all know that the leader of Reform was in my humble village centre on Wednesday propping up the bar in one of our pubs! If I had been there I would have challenged him as to why he was visiting when he should have
A. Been in Parliament
Or
B. Looking after his own constituency

As I am on holiday I missed a golden opportunity ! 🤬

Maremia Thu 23-Apr-26 16:20:57

Olly Robbins wasn't in post when the vetting occurred. Even if he had been, he would not have conducted the vetting.
However, he seems to have been in post when the crucial decision was made.
That could suggest that him not being in post earlier is irrelevant, but is often quoted.

love0c Thu 23-Apr-26 17:18:59

It is irrelevant whether Farage is in the country or not. However, it is relevant whether Starmer is in the country! He is never hardly in it! Always off hiding in another country! This is what someone does when they are not up to the job and need to escape it! Hide!!1

Susieq62 Thu 23-Apr-26 17:46:01

Love0c
I think you have made this point before and it is clear that the PM has missed very few PMQ sessions so you need to rethink your statement surely ! As PM you have to represent the country especially during these turbulent times’! It is in the job description 🤷‍♀️

Casdon Thu 23-Apr-26 17:47:24

It is relevant that MPs are in the country when parliament is sitting love0c, because if they aren’t, unless they are on official business, they are not doing the job they are being paid for. Parliament only sits for 34 weeks a year, it’s not unreasonable to expect them all to be there for important debates and votes. Regardless of your opinion of Starmer, I don’t understand why you would dismiss that as unimportant.

Graphite Thu 23-Apr-26 20:31:24

Official records show that Starmer has missed PMQs just six times. These are the reasons he was absent.

23/10/24 Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting Samoa
20/11/24 G20 Leaders’s Summit Brazil
18/6/25 G7 Summit Canada
25/6/25 NATO Summit The Hague
5/11/25 United Nations Climate Change Brazil
28/1/26 Official Visit to China

Attending these events is entirely consistent with his predecessors.

The first four PMQs in the list were taken by Angela Rayner and the last two by David Lammy.

Elegran Thu 23-Apr-26 21:53:13

Out of a possible 42, how many committee meetings on fishing in the EU did Farage attend as a member of the European Parliament?
A) 21
B) 31
C) 1
The answer is below.



Nigel Farage attended only one out of 42 meetings of the European Parliament's fisheries committee during his time as a member.

Elegran Thu 23-Apr-26 21:54:51

And how often has he been available in Clacton for his constituents there?

Allira Thu 23-Apr-26 23:31:03

Graphite

Official records show that Starmer has missed PMQs just six times. These are the reasons he was absent.

23/10/24 Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting Samoa
20/11/24 G20 Leaders’s Summit Brazil
18/6/25 G7 Summit Canada
25/6/25 NATO Summit The Hague
5/11/25 United Nations Climate Change Brazil
28/1/26 Official Visit to China

Attending these events is entirely consistent with his predecessors.

The first four PMQs in the list were taken by Angela Rayner and the last two by David Lammy.

So swanning off hiding in another country, escaping then 🤔
Doing nothing of consequence!

love0c just representing the UK at all these important jollies meetings then.

Rosie51 Fri 24-Apr-26 00:55:53

Elegran

Out of a possible 42, how many committee meetings on fishing in the EU did Farage attend as a member of the European Parliament?
A) 21
B) 31
C) 1
The answer is below.

Nigel Farage attended only one out of 42 meetings of the European Parliament's fisheries committee during his time as a member.

Is this the new bar we're setting for the competence and accountability of MPs? Maybe we could go lower if we really try......

love0c Fri 24-Apr-26 07:13:00

A message to quite a few on here - Starmer is PM, not Farage.

sixandahalf Fri 24-Apr-26 07:40:55

love0c

A message to quite a few on here - Starmer is PM, not Farage.

Possibly the point being that some of those running KS into the ground are self confessed supporters of NF.

Thanks for the message though. Memo received.

Casdon Fri 24-Apr-26 07:51:03

You are allowed your perspective love0c, and so is everybody else. You perpetuated a discussion about Farage by making an inaccurate statement about Starmer’s attendance in parliament.

Maremia Fri 24-Apr-26 09:16:58

Thank goodness Starmer is PM, and not Farage. Thanks for the reminder.

ronib Fri 24-Apr-26 09:36:24

Starmer is obviously irreplaceable?

nanna8 Fri 24-Apr-26 09:43:26

I don’t think Farage will ever be PM though it seems his party will do quite well at election time. There’s something NQR about him, not sure what but it is there.

Elegran Fri 24-Apr-26 10:34:14

Rosie51

Elegran

Out of a possible 42, how many committee meetings on fishing in the EU did Farage attend as a member of the European Parliament?
A) 21
B) 31
C) 1
The answer is below.

Nigel Farage attended only one out of 42 meetings of the European Parliament's fisheries committee during his time as a member.

Is this the new bar we're setting for the competence and accountability of MPs? Maybe we could go lower if we really try......

It is an example of the bar that a surprising number of people are setting for the man they would vote for as a possible future PM.