Mandelson failed security vetting. Starmer says he didn’t know

Ever since donkeygate people helped by the media have been trying to pin misdeeds on Starmer. And yet nothing seems to stick when it comes to Farage. Even the fact that he is leader of a party that wants this country to be like America is under Trump.

ronib

Starmer is obviously irreplaceable?

To some maybe 😁

He has to go, to give Labour a fighting chance at the next election.

Oreo

Emily Thornberry is very impressive on a committee.

Agree

Oreo

He has to go, to give Labour a fighting chance at the next election.

That’s three years away. One of the failures of previous governments has been concentrating on winning elections not on sorting out current problems. Maybe Labour would be in a better place if supposed Labour Party voters would get behind them and support the party and it’s leader #justsaying

But I can think of other times in history when there was a blind following to The Leader with catastrophic consequences. Just saying….

Do you have some evidence that Starmer has a blind following ronib, or is that not what you mean?

ronib

But I can think of other times in history when there was a blind following to The Leader with catastrophic consequences. Just saying….

Yes, Trump is having catastrophic consequences - glad we agree.

No the opposite holds for Starmer. *Casdon *Another way of expressing this - was MayBee 70 suggesting that Labour Party supporters get behind Starmer regardless of ability? As a country, we’re used to binning prime ministers in recent times.

I was thinking of Adolf Hitler as the most extreme example…

Starmer is a centrist and attracted many floating and other disenchanted Tory voters, a move to the left will see them changing back in droves. Those on the left, like most on GN already vote Labour, Starmer hasn't been able to carry out many of his manifesto policies because his MPs wont support him.

There are very few reasons why a more left wing government would have broad appeal, thats just wishful thinking.

Do you sees the Greens and Lib Dem’s as more or less left wing than Labour currently are David49?

David49

Starmer is a centrist and attracted many floating and other disenchanted Tory voters, a move to the left will see them changing back in droves. Those on the left, like most on GN already vote Labour, Starmer hasn't been able to carry out many of his manifesto policies because his MPs wont support him.

There are very few reasons why a more left wing government would have broad appeal, thats just wishful thinking.

They didn’t vote for a left wing government before but for Boris Johnson. What makes you think that they would now?

Greens are very leftist, LD not so much, local LD are quite moderate, we have an LD MP and local council majority. At the GE Labour came nowhere, Reform gained a lot of votes.

MayBee70

David49

Starmer is a centrist and attracted many floating and other disenchanted Tory voters, a move to the left will see them changing back in droves. Those on the left, like most on GN already vote Labour, Starmer hasn't been able to carry out many of his manifesto policies because his MPs wont support him.

There are very few reasons why a more left wing government would have broad appeal, thats just wishful thinking.

They didn’t vote for a left wing government before but for Boris Johnson. What makes you think that they would now?

They believed in the Brexit fantasy but lost confidence with all the chaos that ensued after, now that lot have all gone support will revive, BUT Reform will dilute that right of center vote and a coalition is inevitable, unless Labour get their act together.

Worst of all a Green/Labour coalition that will cause real problems

Never mind 'history' ronib. It's happening in Trump's US of A. They must be deaf, as well as following blindly.
Not all the folk in the US.

ronib

I was thinking of Adolf Hitler as the most extreme example…

I’m missing your point here. There’s no comparison between Starmer, his supporters/ critics and Mr Hitler

Getting rid of of Prime Ministers, no matter how dreadful they were in recent years, didn’t provide the stability our country needs

It will be a tragedy if the Prince of darkness does for Starmer

I had been thinking that the best protection against the dictator type leadership model was the ability to remove a failing leader if it became necessary. As witnessed by the Conservative Party in recent years. Iam64. Unsure that Starmer is providing stable leadership and it’s unclear that he will improve if he hangs on ?

I admit to being lost too Iam64, because Starmer isn’t a dictator, and the UK is still a democracy. I appreciate you don’t like him ronib, but you know how the parliamentary and party systems work in the UK, so it seems an erroneous point to me.

ronib

I had been thinking that the best protection against the dictator type leadership model was the ability to remove a failing leader if it became necessary. As witnessed by the Conservative Party in recent years. Iam64. Unsure that Starmer is providing stable leadership and it’s unclear that he will improve if he hangs on ?

Imo it’s the right wing media that is brain washing people into thinking he is a failing leader. Even with the problems caused by Trump things are steadily improving in this country.

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Yes: the headlines day on day in the right wing newspapers. I check them out.

They have from the start been on a mission to bring him down, and it hasn't stopped.

They don't report progress made. I'm not excusing failings or faults. the fuss made over the only for specs (not to mention the bitterly spectacular thread in GN on Raynors trousers 🙄)

When Farage is piling on the cryptocurrency for his party and just a bob or too for himself. Gross.

Pity so many newspapers are owned by right leaning billionaires.
Of course they want to promote right leaning politicians.

The influence of newspapers is greatly exaggerated. People who oppose Starmer are as able to make up their own minds as those who support him.

Media bias is much broader than newspapers.

People seem to have forgotten that it only became normal to change leader every five minutes during the 14 years of Conservative rule. And why is the media narrative these days all about parties that only have a handful of MP’s. When did that become normal? And who is gaining from it?