Never thought I’d hear this

You have my pardon Freya.

Seven pages about Mandelson in the archives if you scroll down a bit, and a brand new one just started.
My apologies, nanna, for digressing.

Frenchgalinspain

We cannot fathom the minds of such who support pedaphiles.

It is truly horrifying what Trump & Epstein & the gang have a history of what they had done to innocent souls.

We do not know anyone in Spain who supports pedaphiles or Trump. ( My husband is a Madrid native & I am French married 32 years and living in The Madrid Capital. )

Yes and Spain made their position crystal clear. Well Done Sanchez.

There are some noticeably rude people on this cruise and I know it sounds racist ( well I suppose it is ) but they are all from the same country. No prizes for guessing .. I think maybe it is just a cruiser tendency because we have met many more of that nationality off the cruise who are lovely people.

nanna8

There are some noticeably rude people on this cruise and I know it sounds racist ( well I suppose it is ) but they are all from the same country. No prizes for guessing .. I think maybe it is just a cruiser tendency because we have met many more of that nationality off the cruise who are lovely people.

Which nationality? Genuinely curious.

Basgetti

nanna8

There are some noticeably rude people on this cruise and I know it sounds racist ( well I suppose it is ) but they are all from the same country. No prizes for guessing .. I think maybe it is just a cruiser tendency because we have met many more of that nationality off the cruise who are lovely people.

Which nationality? Genuinely curious.

Need you ask?

They seemed to be split down the middle into rude and pushy and really lovely on a cruise we went on in the Caribbean years ago. 😀

Probably worse now.

Have never been on a cruise, Allira. Guessing British?

Basgetti

Have never been on a cruise, Allira. Guessing British?

No!

Mostly Americans, very few British.
It was a long time ago.

We went on another one with mainly Australians and some people from the Far East. Very friendly.

nanna8

I am on a cruise with a lot of people from different countries at the moment. I was having a swim when I came across a small group of American women loudly extolling the virtues of ‘ wonderful Donald Trump’ who is ‘ a decisive businessman, just what we needed’ Strewth and stone the crows, I swam off quicksmart, but it made me think how very differently some of us look at things. Maybe they are right but not from my point of view of view.

I'd not hope to meet congenial acquaintances on one of those ugly gigantic cruise ships.

Caleo
I'd not hope to meet congenial acquaintances on one of those ugly gigantic cruise ships.

And yet it is possible. We’re still in touch with two couples we met on such a cruise. I’m glad they saw us as congenial acquaintances.

My mother-in-law made friends on cruises occasionally and met up with a couple if she visited their "home" area.

It is obviously possible.

NotSpaghetti

My mother-in-law made friends on cruises occasionally and met up with a couple if she visited their "home" area.

It is obviously possible.

Maybe only if you yourself are congenial.

Caleo

nanna8

I am on a cruise with a lot of people from different countries at the moment. I was having a swim when I came across a small group of American women loudly extolling the virtues of ‘ wonderful Donald Trump’ who is ‘ a decisive businessman, just what we needed’ Strewth and stone the crows, I swam off quicksmart, but it made me think how very differently some of us look at things. Maybe they are right but not from my point of view of view.

I'd not hope to meet congenial acquaintances on one of those ugly gigantic cruise ships.

Not all cruise liners are huge 🤔

As it seems you've never been, I'm not sure how you can judge.

I don’t think there are any British on this cruise and anyway they are always polite, never rude in my experience.

Mollygo

Caleo
I'd not hope to meet congenial acquaintances on one of those ugly gigantic cruise ships.

And yet it is possible. We’re still in touch with two couples we met on such a cruise. I’m glad they saw us as congenial acquaintances.

It is possible just as your say. I was describing my personal tastes ----the little I have seen on TV of life on a cruise ship leads me to believe the company on offer would not suit me.

To meet congenial people, you have to be congenial.
If you base your decision on something you’ve never done, but only seen on television it’s hard to know whether you or they would be seen as congenial.
In cruise or non cruise situations, no one likes everyone they meet.

Mollygo

To meet congenial people, you have to be congenial.
If you base your decision on something you’ve never done, but only seen on television it’s hard to know whether you or they would be seen as congenial.
In cruise or non cruise situations, no one likes everyone they meet.

That is true. I am uncongenial to strangers especially strangers who appear to enjoy what I dislike or disapprove of.

Allira

Caleo

nanna8

I am on a cruise with a lot of people from different countries at the moment. I was having a swim when I came across a small group of American women loudly extolling the virtues of ‘ wonderful Donald Trump’ who is ‘ a decisive businessman, just what we needed’ Strewth and stone the crows, I swam off quicksmart, but it made me think how very differently some of us look at things. Maybe they are right but not from my point of view of view.

I'd not hope to meet congenial acquaintances on one of those ugly gigantic cruise ships.

Not all cruise liners are huge 🤔

As it seems you've never been, I'm not sure how you can judge.

My late friend went on a cruise all by herself. She was a warm hearted person, easy to talk to. She was treated rudely by a fellow passenger. I was so sorry for her.

I was having a lift from a friend yesterday and there was also another woman whom I did not know in the car. Talk turned to the news and how depressing it was. I said that I look at the headlines each day to keep up to speed. This woman said she looks at the news on X as it is more balanced. She does not like the BBC as it is too left wing and who would still criticise Trump if he found a cure for cancer.
I was gobsmacked and couldn't resist saying that if one's dad said half the things Trump did then you would ring the doctor.
It is chilling that so many are unable to recognise mental illness when they see it and are happy for this lunatic to have our fates in his hands.

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Luckygirl3

I was having a lift from a friend yesterday and there was also another woman whom I did not know in the car. Talk turned to the news and how depressing it was. I said that I look at the headlines each day to keep up to speed. This woman said she looks at the news on X as it is more balanced. She does not like the BBC as it is too left wing and who would still criticise Trump if he found a cure for cancer.
I was gobsmacked and couldn't resist saying that if one's dad said half the things Trump did then you would ring the doctor.
It is chilling that so many are unable to recognise mental illness when they see it and are happy for this lunatic to have our fates in his hands.

She does not like the BBC as it is too left wing...

I've heard this frequently and am genuinely puzzled by it, as well as the claims that it's too right wing.

If we are talking about the BBC News channel specifically it does, to me, seem fairly middle-of-the-road. The reporting of incidents is factual and comments / observations by high-profile politicians or other major players are often reported verbatim.

Their opinion-pieces are, to my mind, detectably left leaning, but only just so.

Why do those on both Left and Right see it as leaning too much in the opposite direction?

Symptoms of psychosis:

- Delusions: Strong beliefs involving paranoia (believing someone is trying to harm them) or grandiose ideas (believing they have special powers). TICK
- Disorganized Thinking/Speech: Thoughts and speech become jumbled, shifting rapidly from one topic to another TICK

Symptoms of personality disorder:

- Emotional Instability: Rapidly fluctuating emotions, intense anger TICK
- Impulsivity: Acting without thinking TICK
- Distorted Thinking: Poorly defined sense of self, identity confusion, or chronic paranoia/dissociation. TICK

Symptoms of dementia:

- Forgetting recent events, names, or conversations TICK
- Trouble concentrating TICK
- Struggling to find the right words TICK
- Confusion about the time, date TICK
- Loss of empathy TICK
- Believing things that are not true TICK

This is the man who is "leading" the western world.

Add in that he is a criminal and a misogynist - what hope is there?

Dickens because the BBC is neutral and those on the left and right define neutrality as meaning as 'thinking the same as me'

Oh, and ...
- Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) He describes himself as a genius TICK
- Malignant Narcissism, which includes narcissism, antisocial personality disorder, and sadism.
- Cognitive Decline: confusion and slurred speech.
- obvious physical problems in his gait and his speech.

Sadly mad people are often charismatic - e.g. Hitler - and we all suffer.