Trump Rebukes Starmer?

LemonJam If Trump's prime aim was to achieve regime change- he has certainly not achieved that. Neither has he presented any realistic plan on how he intends to achieve that aim and in what timescale.

Trump stated last year that he "obliterated" Iran's nuclear capability- on Trump's basis so what nuclear threat therefore is the US currently facing from Iran to justify Trump's Iran strike?

Perhaps his aim is to distract from Epstein. Always.

LemonJam

Niklta 16.45 - your post makes little sense overall.

No poster has agreed with the Iran repressive regime. You view that "international law is a western concept that means nothing" to Iran" then repeated Iran has "no regard whatsoever for international law" carries no weight whatsoever as in fact it was Trump who disregarded International Law by striking Iran NOT the other way round. Your rationale is therefore contradictory. misguided and misplaced.

If Trump's prime aim was to achieve regime change- he has certainly not achieved that. Neither has he presented any realistic plan on how he intends to achieve that aim and in what timescale.

Trump stated last year that he "obliterated" Iran's nuclear capability- on Trump's basis so what nuclear threat therefore is the US currently facing from Iran to justify Trump's Iran strike?

There are many regimes around the world that do not align with European or UK values. This in itself does not make between the UK and those countries "war inevitable at some point" - heaven forbid! That also does not give the UK legal justification to take arbitrary strikes against such countries whenever it crosses and expect UK allies to immediately offer unwavering support as requested- that is an absurd position.

Starmer has in fact made a decision for the US to have access to certain UK air bases, on certain conditions. I disagree his position makes the UK look weak. We are not Trump's lackeys and he didn't consult the UK, the EU or indeed his own Congress before he decide to strike. Trump is responsible and accountable for his Iran strike actions- not Starmer.

Niklta, you are right and LemonJam is wrong, your rationale is absolutely spot on. I do feel that if some posters on here had to live under the Iranian regime they would regard
Trump as their saviour! Its easy to criticise from the safety of their sofas.

LJ. I don’t believe my comment is either misguided or misplaced. I did not seek to justify the legality or otherwise of Trumps action. I was simply pointing out that the Iranian regime can’t be trusted to abide by any treaty or laws; it is a pariah state. Neither did I comment on Trump’s motives or perceived outcomes, although it is too early to say whether regime change will happen. I doubt that unless the IRGC is eliminated.
Of course there are other regimes that do not accord with western values, but few of them are as evil and prominent in promoting terrorism. I also didn’t suggest war between the UK and Iran was inevitable, but war between Israel and Iran clearly was entirely foreseeable and inevitable for as long as Iran remains committed to obliterating Israel.
As soon as Trump moved his two carrier groups near Iran this outcome was a distinct possibility and Starmer did nothing to protect UK territory in Cyprus or our interests in the Gulf. It will take a fortnight for our destroyer to reach Cyprus. Even the Greek and French ships will be there before ours! WhetherTrump “consulted” us or the EU is unknown but I would be surprised if we were not informed as soon as the decision was made. No, Starmer is not responsible for Trump’s actions but he shows a distinct lack of foresight and cojones. Canada (no fan of Trump) and Australia have both supported US action whist we sit on the fence. Typical Starmer.

Nik1ta
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Iran have sent missiles into Turkey now.

The USA has a history of interfering in the politics of other countries and making them less stable as a result! Anybody who thinks that DT has the Iranian people in his heart are sorely mistaken! He only wants power at the expense of anything or anybody who gets in his way ! This is not my war neither was the war in Iraq in my name! I despair if anybody on here supports the actions of Trump and Netanyahu , they are beyond evil in my view! Well done to the Spanish leader and I hope that Starmer stands firm !! Enough is enough !!

'Please do not rely on the US Government to help you at this time' is the message on the hotline, and Trump has the nerve to criticise Starmer.

Some folk in the USA have renamed the attack as 'Operation Epstein Fury'.

Ain’t that the truth

Totally agree

Whitewavemark2

Ain’t that the truth

No, it patently isn’t.

Oreo

Iran have sent missiles into Turkey now.

The USA has a military base in Turkey, Iran are targeting all US bases within the range of their missiles and drones.

Maremia "Some folk in the USA have renamed the attack as 'Operation Epstein Fury'

Ive read that too- you can understand why.

GrannyGravy13

Oreo

Iran have sent missiles into Turkey now.

The USA has a military base in Turkey, Iran are targeting all US bases within the range of their missiles and drones.

But inevitably some missiles will go off target as they have in other countries targeted by Iran.

Susieq62: "Well done to the Spanish leader and I hope that Starmer stands firm !! Enough is enough !!"

I thought the Spanish Leader's speech was well pitched- ending with :NO to War"

Oreo

GrannyGravy13

Oreo

Iran have sent missiles into Turkey now.

The USA has a military base in Turkey, Iran are targeting all US bases within the range of their missiles and drones.

But inevitably some missiles will go off target as they have in other countries targeted by Iran.

Missiles/drones deployed by any country can go rogue for a handful of reasons.

LemonJam

Susieq62: "Well done to the Spanish leader and I hope that Starmer stands firm !! Enough is enough !!"

I thought the Spanish Leader's speech was well pitched- ending with :NO to War"

He is ensuring his country’s security from attacks 👍

GrannyGravy13

Oreo

GrannyGravy13

Oreo

Iran have sent missiles into Turkey now.

The USA has a military base in Turkey, Iran are targeting all US bases within the range of their missiles and drones.

But inevitably some missiles will go off target as they have in other countries targeted by Iran.

Missiles/drones deployed by any country can go rogue for a handful of reasons.

Isn’t that what I just said.

Other missiles and drones have and do go off target, so Turkey and other countries in the region getting incoming from Iran will be furious.

How funny that the Orange Baboon and Paedo invoked the 'Churchill' word, and indeed SKS isn't.
However, SKS could have responded with Churchill's likely reply if he HAD been in power right now, given Chump's threats to annexe Canada, and Greenland, and his 'hokey-cokey' Tariff 'policies' (from a colouring book) ruining international trade.
Just as well that USA had a truly great President when WW2 broke out, not the present sexist, racist thin-skinned fraud and liar?

The elephant in the room to me is that , Trump and Israel attacked Iran on the pretence to
'Stop Iran having nuclear weapons.'
My question is So why it's okay for the USA and Israel to have nuclear weapons, when they are the ones who are equally mad, bad and dangerous? No one is safe

Just so Freyja.
It’s on the same theme of woe betide anyone who sets a toe across our border, but we can march into your country with impunity because, of course, we are right.

How did the US Constitution allow a convicted sex offender to become their President?
Starmer has made mistakes. This is not one of them

lixy

Just so Freyja.
It’s on the same theme of woe betide anyone who sets a toe across our border, but we can march into your country with impunity because, of course, we are right.

It’s not just so at all.
Iran having nuclear power is just too frightening to even contemplate.
It’s bad enough that they bankroll and arm so many different terror groups in the region as well as throughout Europe.

MI5 say they have foiled up to as many as 20 Iranian directed cells and plots here in the UK in the last year.That’s how dangerous Iran is.