Trump Rebukes Starmer?

We all know about that treaty. Obama was involved so of course as soon as trump was elected he ripped it up. This week’s shenanigans are a direct result.

Basgetti

I suspect many of those who would vote Churchill the greatest ever Briton have little knowledge of his very shady history outside of WW2 leadership.

I think we realise that but, as an orator and wartime leader, he would make Trump look like a petulant four year old.

Churchill was brilliant as a leader in WW2.He was just what was needed.
I don’t think Starmer is any good in peacetime let alone if we have a war situation.

Basgetti

Yes, Oreo, (apologies, couldn’t quote you for some reason) after a British base on Cyprus was hit. What would you suggest KS do about that act of aggression, ignore it?
KS has handled this absolutely correctly. As he has most international diplomacy since becoming PM.
I’m a floating voter. Voted Labour to get shot of the previous shambles. I’m disappointed in some domestic policies, very disappointed in its comms people’s failure to effectively communicate the good things the government is doing.
I don’t think his international competency can be faulted.

I don’t know which of my comments you are referring to.

Spain seems to be holding firm, and not being drawn into an illegal war.

IDK how Trump can say that to Starmer as Americans only helped in the last war after pearl harbour was attacked.
I'm reading that Iran has cells in the UK at the ready, has fired at Turkey today, and 6 cruise ships are stuck in Dubai as Iran closed the Strait. It just gets worse every day. Scary times atm and tbh I'm too scared to book a holiday anywhere.

I hear the Lake District is very nice Sazz1

Think back to WW2? Although we would probably have lost the war without the USA, they were more than happy to sit back until Pearl Harbour and then sold us a pile of junk for weapons. Think on Mr Trump.

Ally27

Think back to WW2? Although we would probably have lost the war without the USA, they were more than happy to sit back until Pearl Harbour and then sold us a pile of junk for weapons. Think on Mr Trump.

Thinking isn’t his forte sadly.

At PMQs today Starmer said he's defending our assets and people abroad by shooting down drones and missiles. The Iran minister said in the following lunchtime news that Iran is firing missiles at any place from where Iran bound missiles may come. That's what the Americans and other supporting nations are doing. Why is that we (the UK) allow bullies to punch us but won't punch back. That's why our current PM is weak, gutless and spineless. Same with Savile and the grooming gangs.

Meandrogrog

Starmer should have supported Trump, he is weak and not fit to be PM.

Startmer showed strength in hia decision. Did Trump and Netanyahu consult him or Congress before they made this strike? No, so why ask for help now? Starmer is dealing with this in the right manner. Trump recently boasted that we didn't do anything to help in the Iraq and Afghan conflict. An insult to the 400+ British service men and their families who died. Look what he did in Venezuela? Trump is just deflicting from the Epstein files being exposed and Netanyahu is a war criminal. I despise tge Iranian regime but it's not our fight. The Iraqis was crying for help from the West and look how ungrateful they were after and also the mess that was left? Also the birth of ISIS followed. The Muslim world need to sort themselves out.

Now we see why trump didn't put more pressure on the Israeli government to stop the destruction of Gaza 😢

Britain should satay out of this war. There are three rogue states battling it out.

The Democrats in the US aren't supporting the way Trump is hitting Iran and think Starmer is correct.

Iran is the most evil regime since the Nazis and Stalin. It is run by repugnant misogynistic old men with a medieval religious ideology. It represses and murders its citizens and spreads terrorism throughout the world. It has no regard whatsoever for international law and if it had nuclear weapons then Israel would probably cease to exist. It has no intention of abiding by any nuclear nonproliferation and its leaders despise the West. Its regime is a serious threat to world peace and sadly this war was inevitable at some point. It is naive to try to negotiate with such a regime to whom international law is a western concept that means nothing. Starmer’s vacillation about the use of our bases simply makes us look weak, which of course we are!

Starmer should have kept us out of it altogether. Much like Spain has done. Trump is hellbent on starting WWIII

America is also run by a repugnant mysogynistic man Nik.

I agree Mrs.Matt.

Nik1ta

Iran is the most evil regime since the Nazis and Stalin. It is run by repugnant misogynistic old men with a medieval religious ideology. It represses and murders its citizens and spreads terrorism throughout the world. It has no regard whatsoever for international law and if it had nuclear weapons then Israel would probably cease to exist. It has no intention of abiding by any nuclear nonproliferation and its leaders despise the West. Its regime is a serious threat to world peace and sadly this war was inevitable at some point. It is naive to try to negotiate with such a regime to whom international law is a western concept that means nothing. Starmer’s vacillation about the use of our bases simply makes us look weak, which of course we are!

Agree with you, a really well written piece, thank you.

Well Trump is his boss!🤣

Starmer not a Winston Churchill???
Well - Trump is not a F D Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter, Reagan, Obama or even a George W Bush!!
For that matter, there hasn’t been a worse USA president during my lifetime.

Smileless2012

America is also run by a repugnant mysogynistic man Nik.

Quite.

I believe that Starmer is right to be involved at the level he is. Its all very well doing the "but we are people of principle" like Spain, but in reality I think Starmer was quite right not to get involved until it became quite clear our citizens, others areas like Cyprus - and I might add, probablefuture economic matters - got shockingly rapidly drawn in

When you have the left carping about any involvement at all, we should sit on the sidelines:
and the right shockingly following Trump, who would have led us into another Iraq

I think Starmer has hit the right note.

Nik1ta

Iran is the most evil regime since the Nazis and Stalin. It is run by repugnant misogynistic old men with a medieval religious ideology. It represses and murders its citizens and spreads terrorism throughout the world. It has no regard whatsoever for international law and if it had nuclear weapons then Israel would probably cease to exist. It has no intention of abiding by any nuclear nonproliferation and its leaders despise the West. Its regime is a serious threat to world peace and sadly this war was inevitable at some point. It is naive to try to negotiate with such a regime to whom international law is a western concept that means nothing. Starmer’s vacillation about the use of our bases simply makes us look weak, which of course we are!

Exactly!
International law means nothing to Iran so it isn’t a level playing field.The US and Israel are doing the right thing for themselves but also for all the countries who dither and shake at the thought of it.
Starmer was an utter embarrassment at PMQ’s today.The Naval ship HMS Dragon will apparently not arrive off Cyprus for a fortnight.

Niklta 16.45 - your post makes little sense overall.

No poster has agreed with the Iran repressive regime. You view that "international law is a western concept that means nothing" to Iran" then repeated Iran has "no regard whatsoever for international law" carries no weight whatsoever as in fact it was Trump who disregarded International Law by striking Iran NOT the other way round. Your rationale is therefore contradictory. misguided and misplaced.

If Trump's prime aim was to achieve regime change- he has certainly not achieved that. Neither has he presented any realistic plan on how he intends to achieve that aim and in what timescale.

Trump stated last year that he "obliterated" Iran's nuclear capability- on Trump's basis so what nuclear threat therefore is the US currently facing from Iran to justify Trump's Iran strike?

There are many regimes around the world that do not align with European or UK values. This in itself does not make between the UK and those countries "war inevitable at some point" - heaven forbid! That also does not give the UK legal justification to take arbitrary strikes against such countries whenever it crosses and expect UK allies to immediately offer unwavering support as requested- that is an absurd position.

Starmer has in fact made a decision for the US to have access to certain UK air bases, on certain conditions. I disagree his position makes the UK look weak. We are not Trump's lackeys and he didn't consult the UK, the EU or indeed his own Congress before he decide to strike. Trump is responsible and accountable for his Iran strike actions- not Starmer.

Arab states, in much closer proximity to Iran, have found themselves on the front line with this US/Israel war and they are angry. This is a war the Arab governments didn't want and tried to prevent. The question remains whether the Arab states are going to be drawn in and if so how. Are they similarly "vacillating" are their leaders "an embarrassment"? No -they are weighing up risks and their national and international interests- in order to make a decision whether to be drawn in to what it has called the "treacherous Iranian attacks".

This no doubt is Iran's strategy- to raise the stakes for it's Arab neighbours in the hope they will increase pressure on the US to end its war. fingers crossed they are able to successfully persuade and lobby Trump- Trump and his family have many fingers in many Arab financial pies and money may be a positive motivator. Time will tell whether that works.

So far the Arab states have refused to let the US use their skies and territories to launch attacks on Iran- also not US lackeys.