Future of the Monarchy

I agree Allira. It's so strange that somebody thinks those that prefer a Constitutional Monarchy are sycophants yet doesn't mind corruption by someone in the SNP, in fact says happy to have their donation used for personal gain. That's sycophantic.

Oh good, another little deviation from the point.

Rosie51

I agree Allira. It's so strange that somebody thinks those that prefer a Constitutional Monarchy are sycophants yet doesn't mind corruption by someone in the SNP, in fact says happy to have their donation used for personal gain. That's sycophantic.

I do think intransigence and cognitive rigidity are unfortunate traits.

It's preferable to consider all options before reaching a conclusion.

Maremia

Oh good, another little deviation from the point.

Well, I do think it's relevant if those who have thought about the Monarchy and considered the alternatives carefully are then accused of being sycophantic by a republican.

Indigo8

Caleo

I am sorry--- my response should have been addressed to Indigo, not Galaxy.

Having re-read my comment, I am not aware that I am objecting to anything Caleo:. Please explain what you mean.

The nested quotes confused me, Indigo.

If you were starting a new nation from scratch you would not think of installing a monarchy - which indicates it’s not the best system for the 21st century.

vegansrock

If you were starting a new nation from scratch you would not think of installing a monarchy - which indicates it’s not the best system for the 21st century.

But we're not a new country.

We are a country with centuries of history and tradition.
With its imperfections.

No system is perfect but some are more perfect than others and that, imo, includes our Constitutional Monarchy.

However, the Upper House needs radical change.
Ant and Dec could stand for election to the Upper House 🙂

But nothing remains the same for ever, and I do think there will never be a stronger argument than at present for the U.K. to re-visit it’s constitution and decide what we want as a country going forward.

Whitewavemark2

But nothing remains the same for ever, and I do think there will never be a stronger argument than at present for the U.K. to re-visit it’s constitution and decide what we want as a country going forward.

It doesn't stay the same. We don't have an Absolute Monarchy any more.
We have a Monarch and family who are keen to support charities and have set up initiatives to support people rather than hide away at Balmoral.
We have checks and balances in the system which prevents any one person seizing absolute power.

No one can think that logically an hereditary system in which a person can be born into a role is in anyway compatible with “democracy”. There are plenty of things that went on for centuries that we don’t do today. An elected head of state could perform the same posing for pictures, shaking hands and waving from balconies as any royal. Ant and Dec could do a double act.

Well, I cannot take your posts seriously, but they are amusing 😂😂😂

vegansrock

No one can think that logically an hereditary system in which a person can be born into a role is in anyway compatible with “democracy”. There are plenty of things that went on for centuries that we don’t do today. An elected head of state could perform the same posing for pictures, shaking hands and waving from balconies as any royal. Ant and Dec could do a double act.

If we have an elected upper House, an elected H of C, Senedd, Scottish Parliament, Mayors, County Councillors, Town Councillors, Parish Councillors etc. it will cost so much and we'll be so fed up we'll be voting for an Absolute Monarch.
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I never thought I would feel this way about Andrew but the photograph of him in the back of the car that is doing the rounds made me feel sorry for him. He looks so shocked and defeated like a cornered animal.

Don't get me wrong, I am still utterly disgusted by the way he has behaved and lied but I can't help but feel a little pang of sympathy.

I can't.

He is getting his comeuppance.

His comeuppance for ?

Many of royalty's possessions do not belong to them, as in they are not allowed to sell them or give them away, they are their for future generations and and are frequently available for display and /or access

This can be changed. ‘Royal properties’ are really not there for future generations. There are houses, fully staffed, heated and unoccupied and just sitting there should the royals decide to give them out to their relatives to live in. They are not even available to this generation of the public let alone ‘future generations’.

Let us get full auditing of the properties, the value. The occupants, the income generated or not generated.
Let us get openness of the whole financial situation.
Royal greed is breathtaking at times - I’m sure many saw the recent documentary of how they are making money from our public services and even volunteer agencies.
I would like to see the whole monarchy abolished - but a first step would be to run it down to 1 king or queen, 1 heir. We do not need the extensive children, cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles - all of whom are living in breathtaking splendour and feel their often astonishing accommodation and allowances are fit reward for attending a ballet, fashion show, a hospital, a school, a variety show etc! Really not needed at all.
The vast accommodation and Estates can be put to much better use than as homes for one family.

Anniebach

His comeuppance for ?

Suspicion of misconduct in a public office.

Indigo8

I never thought I would feel this way about Andrew but the photograph of him in the back of the car that is doing the rounds made me feel sorry for him. He looks so shocked and defeated like a cornered animal.

Don't get me wrong, I am still utterly disgusted by the way he has behaved and lied but I can't help but feel a little pang of sympathy.

I found the way to deal with the photo was to imagine how anyone would look caught in a camera flash trying to crouch down in a car after a long stressful day

I suspect, could be wrong, that the people who like the monarchy still do, and those that dont, dont.

I presume[could be wrong] that it will continue.

As for someone up thread thinking we are inane enough to believe all the money from reducing the royals would go into solving issues with the NHS! Where it goes will be for our government to decide. What we will stop doing is providing round the clock security on properties that lie empty for months every year. We won’t be maintaining them - the new owners will.
As for suggesting we need to know more history - many of us do! Suggesting we look back over royal contribution to our country over the centuries will only strengthen the case of abolition!

Who are the brother and sisters, uncles, aunts etc who are paid to attend functions?

Oh dear.
I think you need to do some sums and estimates.

First sum: What do you think a Presidential system would cost?

I don't have a problem with the photo being taken and published except to say I found the leaving of the red eye was deliberate to make him look more evil or something. Surely any self respecting photographer would have removed it, even I can manage that with computer wizardry.

Indigo8
I never thought I would feel this way about Andrew but the photograph of him in the back of the car that is doing the rounds made me feel sorry for him

I’ve no sympathy for him or his family who
have known what was going on for years. My only question was how many people after getting questioned by the police get a 2 vehicle escort home? Most of the public would have to call a taxi or get a bus!

StoneofDestiny

Why are republicans so adamant that they are absolutely right? Intransigent?
The vehemence really is quite worrying.