Comments on immigrant benefits

MaizieD

Lathyrus3

Well Maybee people know they can’t get a house and are living in B and B.

And they know that their council has housed immigrant families in their area.

So I suppose they think if there were houses available why did that family get it rather than mine.

What answer would you give them?

Have you failed to notice that putting immigrant families in hotels, which is essentially 'bed and breakfast' was the cause of demonstrations and near riots over the past year or two?

Put them in disused military camps and there's a huge protest about hundreds of young brown men at large planning to violate our women.

Put them in houses and they're taking accommodation which rightfully should go to people who've been on housing lists for years.

What is your answer?

I was replying to your other post that sad people only think there is a problem because what they see on Sunday dial media.

It’s this sort of dismissal of people’s actual experience that makes them feel unheard and of no account and that will lead to a vote for those who appear to be listening.

They are only assuming they can’t get a home? Silly them.
So if they’d get off social media and actually go out and look they’d realise there are plenty of homes out there?

sundowngirl

"identifying the causes of the current housing crisis which have absolutely nothing to do with immigration."

Of course thousands of people arriving month on month must contribute to the housing crisis. Where do you think they are going to live?? - they don't bring their housing with them

You’re right and it shouldn’t really need pointing out!

Remember the old saying “you can’t fit a quart in a pint pot”.

MaizieD

Lathyrus3

Well Maybee people know they can’t get a house and are living in B and B.

And they know that their council has housed immigrant families in their area.

So I suppose they think if there were houses available why did that family get it rather than mine.

What answer would you give them?

Have you failed to notice that putting immigrant families in hotels, which is essentially 'bed and breakfast' was the cause of demonstrations and near riots over the past year or two?

Put them in disused military camps and there's a huge protest about hundreds of young brown men at large planning to violate our women.

Put them in houses and they're taking accommodation which rightfully should go to people who've been on housing lists for years.

What is your answer?

Simple! Don’t let them in in then first place.

Immigration hasn't caused the crisis sundowngirl but asylum seekers along with British citizens are a victim of it. In a civilised developed country we should at least be able to house people, regardless of why they are in need, in warm clean and adequate accommodation and we can't.

"identifying the causes of the current housing crisis which have absolutely nothing to do with immigration."

Of course thousands of people arriving month on month must contribute to the housing crisis. Where do you think they are going to live?? - they don't bring their housing with them

Lathyrus3

Well Maybee people know they can’t get a house and are living in B and B.

And they know that their council has housed immigrant families in their area.

So I suppose they think if there were houses available why did that family get it rather than mine.

What answer would you give them?

Have you failed to notice that putting immigrant families in hotels, which is essentially 'bed and breakfast' was the cause of demonstrations and near riots over the past year or two?

Put them in disused military camps and there's a huge protest about hundreds of young brown men at large planning to violate our women.

Put them in houses and they're taking accommodation which rightfully should go to people who've been on housing lists for years.

What is your answer?

I agree with 16 year olds being given the vote, but I also feel there should be an upper age limit.
I am 86 and keen on politics, but would give up my vote on the basis that we have made quite a mess of things, and are not voting for our future!

Well Maybee people know they can’t get a house and are living in B and B.

And they know that their council has housed immigrant families in their area.

So I suppose they think if there were houses available why did that family get it rather than mine.

What answer would you give them?

My point is Foxie48 the country's not in great shape but Reform is posted about above all other parties yet the state of the country is down to the Conservatives and Labour.

Wonder what the myriad reasons are for the empty houses?
Wonder how many could be made fit for habitation again?

From Action on Empty Homes

Over 1 million empty homes in England.

Over 325,000 people in need of homes.

Numbers of long-term empty homes rose yet again by 38,082 to 303,143. Long-term empties are now at their highest level since 2011 (exceeding even pandemic-related data).

More homes in England are now long-term empty than during the Covid-19 pandemic when the housing market was closed.

Second Homes out of residential use total 268,153.

Total vacancy in England is now 1,022,433 homes.

Data from Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government November 2025

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Doodledog

Primrose53

I see the green eyed monster has reared its head again! 🤣

If we can afford it, we can spend our hard earned money as we choose. If that means buying a second property to rent to local people then I think that’s a very positive move. They get a pristine property at a very reasonable rent in a nice, quiet area after long waits on the council list. Any problem in the property is dealt with in 24 hours and they get their own parking and a lovely walled garden for privacy. One couple stayed 13 years and in all that time we only put the rent up once by a few £. They were great tenants and we are great landlords. People like us are providing a valuable service to local people.

Two questions?

Who is not 'allowing' anything? Of course people are 'allowed' to buy what they like. We are not in primary school with someone making rules about how we spend our pocket money.

Why do people assume that opinions that are not theirs are fuelled by envy? Is that the only motive they understand? It is perfectly possible to be able to have options based on a sense of justice, with envy having absolutely nothing to do with it.

Oh, and a third question if I may? Why the 🤣 (rolling on the floor laughing)? What is so hilarious about someone else having point of view from yours?

The emoji is because every time anyone raises the question of second homes it comes round to the unfairness of some on here having more than one property.

It is just laughable that people can spend their savings on what they like, cruises, luxury holidays, flash cars, booze and fags etc but it is wrong to spend it on a second property according to some.

There are several on here who have a second property.

MaizieD

foxie48

Blaming the housing of a relatively small number of immigrants in a county like Cornwall is a good example of what Reform does extremely well. It finds a convenient and visable scapegoat which then takes the spotlight off what really lies at the heart of the housing problem. We have had decades of under investment in our housing stock, sold off council houses, failed to provide suitable employment in areas of deprivation and allowed the cost of housing people to spiral out of control because basically it suits the better off in society. With many people having most of their wealth invested in the home they live in, it suits them for house prices to stay high and inheritance tax to enable them to pass on most if not all of the value to their children, so let's blame immigrants instead!

Excellent post. Thanks, foxie 👏👏👏

Dare I say that instead of taking on board what people think and feel they actually manipulate what they think and feel and then feed it back to them? I mean, would people assume that they can’t get a house because of immigrants if social media didn’t throw around false figures which, once heard are never forgotten even when discredited?

This government promised growth which would be a good start but we haven't grown really since the 2008 financial crisis.

This is the problem with viewing a national economy as being the same as a household economy. We were actually recovering, albeit slowly, until 2010 when the tories regained power and George Osborne implemented his economically illiterate austerity policy on the back of an entirely mendacious claim that Labour had 'bankrupted the country' and we needed to tighten our belts in order to recover.

It is an indisputable fact that growth calls for money circulating in the economy; all that austerity did was remove money from the economy. The same belief, that the national budget needs to be run like a household budget, still persists in governments since then and is supported by voters who don't seem to understand how different a national economy is.

We will not achieve any meaningful 'growth' (or even growth remaining at a standstill) until governments radically change their approach.

Labour cannot achieve any growth because they don't know how to do it.

Much as most posters on here dislike the Green party leader and think his ideas are nonsense, he does actually have the right approach with regard to the economy. None of the other parties do, they'll just continue to destroy the UK economy..

Dorisdodar

foxie 48....your post at 9.05 raises some good points....I don't agree with them all but this didn't all happen under a Reform government did it...

If you read my post Dorisdodar I haven't said it did. We haven't had a Reform government and I sincerely hope we never will, my post is about identifying the causes of the current housing crisis which have absolutely nothing to do with immigration.

Primrose53

I see the green eyed monster has reared its head again! 🤣

If we can afford it, we can spend our hard earned money as we choose. If that means buying a second property to rent to local people then I think that’s a very positive move. They get a pristine property at a very reasonable rent in a nice, quiet area after long waits on the council list. Any problem in the property is dealt with in 24 hours and they get their own parking and a lovely walled garden for privacy. One couple stayed 13 years and in all that time we only put the rent up once by a few £. They were great tenants and we are great landlords. People like us are providing a valuable service to local people.

I think what many posters are discussing, Primrose53, are the many empty homes and Airbnbs rather than your situation which is providing housing for a local family.

Dorisdodar

I don't know what will happen under a Reform government...all political parties change what they pledged when they are elected so it's impossible to predict what will happen if Reform are elected.
This government promised growth which would be a good start but we haven't grown really since the 2008 financial crisis.

I don't know what will happen under a Reform government

Could we amend that to: I don't know what would happen under a Reform government!

I don't know what will happen under a Reform government...all political parties change what they pledged when they are elected so it's impossible to predict what will happen if Reform are elected.
This government promised growth which would be a good start but we haven't grown really since the 2008 financial crisis.

Primrose53

Crikey, will we be told next we can only own one car or cannot have a holiday caravan somewhere?

It’s far better to use a second property to house local people than have a property you only use for a few weeks a year in my opinion.

No, I doubt it. Who is going to tell you what you can own?

I'm not following the 'not allowed' line of thought at all. People can, and may, own what they like, and long may that continue. All I am saying is that creating a housing shortage and then profiting from that shortage is unjust.

Well said Doodledog👏👏👏

Plenty of second home owners in my rundown northern town...they then turn them into HMOs for immigrants...plenty of profiting from other people's misery going on there.

Dorisdodar

foxie 48....your post at 9.05 raises some good points....I don't agree with them all but this didn't all happen under a Reform government did it...

What do you think would happen under a Reform government?

Bearing in mind that when Reform won all those councils they went in proclaiming that they were gong to cut all that wastage and save lots of money (though what it was gong to be saved for didn't seem to be specified) and then found out that there wasn't anything to 'save', what do you think they will do to solve the social housing problem?

Because the 'market' solution of tacking a requirement for 'affordable housing' onto planning permission for private development is being

a) sidestepped by developers cutting the specified numbers claiming that they cannot afford to build their development if they have to sell x number of houses at an 'affordable' price (a price which is way out of the reach of a significant number of prospective buyers anyway)

b) Is not providing any social housing for rent.

Councils themselves cannot afford to finance the amount of social housing they need to provide because they don't have enough funding. Also, that utterly stupid
'right to buy', which takes social housing out of the council's stock at a price that doesn't necessarily cover replacement cost, hasn't been knocked on the head.

So, what are Reform promising to do about it? Even kicking out loads of non white immigrants won't solve it...

As usual, it all boils down to economics and our current economic system doesn't allow for solving the social and cheap housing deficit.

Crikey, will we be told next we can only own one car or cannot have a holiday caravan somewhere?

It’s far better to use a second property to house local people than have a property you only use for a few weeks a year in my opinion.

Primrose53

I see the green eyed monster has reared its head again! 🤣

If we can afford it, we can spend our hard earned money as we choose. If that means buying a second property to rent to local people then I think that’s a very positive move. They get a pristine property at a very reasonable rent in a nice, quiet area after long waits on the council list. Any problem in the property is dealt with in 24 hours and they get their own parking and a lovely walled garden for privacy. One couple stayed 13 years and in all that time we only put the rent up once by a few £. They were great tenants and we are great landlords. People like us are providing a valuable service to local people.

Two questions?

Who is not 'allowing' anything? Of course people are 'allowed' to buy what they like. We are not in primary school with someone making rules about how we spend our pocket money.

Why do people assume that opinions that are not theirs are fuelled by envy? Is that the only motive they understand? It is perfectly possible to be able to have options based on a sense of justice, with envy having absolutely nothing to do with it.

Oh, and a third question if I may? Why the 🤣 (rolling on the floor laughing)? What is so hilarious about someone else having point of view from yours?

Meandrogrog

Doodledog

I agree that more homes need to be built, and that people should be ‘allowed’ to buy what they like - who is disallowing anyone?

What I am saying is that blaming immigrants for a housing shortage when existing citizens can have more than one home seems to me to be missing a very important contributing factor. I am not saying that from a position of envy - why would that be the conclusion anyone would jump to??

You said it was unjust that some should have second homes.

It is unjust, but it is also 'allowed'.

I think that rent should be strictly monitored, so people don't put up rent when mortgage rates rise. It is outrageous that renters have to pay the mortgages of others with profit on top, to the point where they can't afford to save for a deposit on a home of their own. So-called 'market rents' are very high because of a shortage of homes - in many cases because council houses were sold at huge discounts. In a just system rents would be fixed and would not take account of the cost of buying a property, as that remains an asset that can be sold at a profit.

I also think that Air B&Bs should be subject to high taxation. I'm not 100% certain of the council tax rules, but I think that if what was once a home becomes an Air B&B the owner pays business rates but not Council Tax, so although the house still has bins emptied and so on the residents (who do pay CT) have less to go around, and either their taxes rise or levels of services fall. Whether that is correct or not, every Air B&B is a house taken out of the market for families (or anyone) to buy, and that also pushes prices up.

I am not saying that people shouldn't be 'allowed' to buy anything, but I am saying that profiting from others' misery by reducing an already scarce commodity is unjust - of course it is.