J D Vance in The Cotswolds

I have not been paying too much attention to Vance on holiday…. I am happily unaware of all his lapses in etiquette and manners…. Life’s too short.

He should be in prison along with his boss.

For Ronib - Vance is a fraud and conman, just like Chump (who Vance compared to Hitler, before having an evangelic style conversion when he realised he could get the VP job).

The fact you seem to like him suggests your opinion needn't be taken too seriously?

I found this in the i-paper, on their opinion slot (& they castigate right and left, as needed). Note especially the last para? >>>>

JD Vance hasn't been completely off the clock while on his holidays in the UK - he's made a speech at an RAF base, had a sleepover at the Foreign Secretary's house and is now meeting with other prominent politicians.

Notably, the VP hasn't found the time to meet the actual leader of the opposition, Kemi Badenoch, instead choosing to see Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary who is barely hiding his desires for leadership.

Ian Dunt says that, "for perhaps the first time in his life, Vance is right about something. He has understood two deep central truths about British politics in 2025. First, that Badenoch is useless. And second, that she won’t be around for much longer. Better, then, to meet Jenrick – the figure who is much more likely to lead the Conservatives into the next election."

Moreover, Vance and Jenrick are quite similar: "They are both cast in the same mould: bland old centre-right politicians who are now prepared to engage in the most vicious rhetoric imaginable if it gets them closer to power.

Men whose ignorance is matched only by the confidence with which they express it. Heinous moral cowards whose elevated status is a signal of our societal decline."

The fact you have a problem with anyone who doesn’t share your world view is a bit worrying. I don’t mind if you actively dislike a politician. Dr Watson as you so clearly do. Vance really isn’t that bad. For frauds and conmen, we’re doing just fine in little England….

Why not look at the bigger picture. Americans, seeing Vance loving his holiday over here and soon to be followed by the president, sends messages that the UK is desirable, a great place for a holiday. Think of all those rich Americans salivating at the thought of following in their footsteps to quaint olde England. Think of the tourism, the money they bring, the boost to the economy and god knows we need that!

Contrast it with that idiot Harry telling the world the UK is unsafe, he needs security everywhere he goes, it’s an awful country etc etc.

Who is better for the UK? It’s obvious to me. Vance is enjoying his holiday. Of all countries in the world he has chosen us. Not France, not Germany but us. Trump also loves the UK. So much better than the years of Obama, Clinton and Biden who never disguised their dislike of us.

ronib you said constructive criticism should be welcome... I don't see any of that with this man.

What is your problem with Casdon please?

ronib

The fact you have a problem with anyone who doesn’t share your world view is a bit worrying. I don’t mind if you actively dislike a politician. Dr Watson as you so clearly do. Vance really isn’t that bad. For frauds and conmen, we’re doing just fine in little England….

The fact you have a problem with anyone who doesn’t share your world view is a bit worrying.

This patently applies to your thinking too. It will apply to some extent to everyone. Most will agree with those sharing their world view.

Those who are not only worrying but dangerous are those who divide people into specific groups and see other groups as "less than". Dehumanisation increases risks of violence, marginalisation, injustice, and further cycles of dehumanisation. So I find the self-formed groups that behave in this way far more "worrying" and I keep hoping that as part of an educated nation we learn to at least recognise our own bias.

NotSpaghetti

ronib you said constructive criticism should be welcome... I don't see any of that with this man.

What is your problem with Casdon please?

I don’t have a problem with Casdon. (We just disagree). I was replying to Dr Watson. not spaghetti

PoliticsNerd interesting but a bit confusing to follow. How does your explanation apply to a particular attitude of hostility to Vance?

I think if you read it as it was written ronib - as a reply to your comment The fact you have a problem with anyone who doesn’t share your world view is a bit worrying, you'll find it easier to understand than if you expect it to be an answer the question you ask afterwards.

To me Vance always seems to hard serious image maybe harder than Trump, that’s hardly surprising, the left wing media portrays him as just that. He’s ambitious as a politician so are most of the others it comes with the job, how popular personally he is in the US I’m not sure.

His future will depend on how successful Trump is in reinventing the US economy, many of the early dire predictions have not happened. A settlement in Ukraine “any settlement” will help them and us “no settlement” will be bad for us, because the US will continue supplying arms, we will pay for them.

Okay PoliticsNerd. So I guess the self formed groups must start from somewhere? As in an individual point of view? Groups presumably cohere around an ideology? Or not…

DrWatson

I found this in the i-paper, on their opinion slot (& they castigate right and left, as needed). Note especially the last para? >>>>

JD Vance hasn't been completely off the clock while on his holidays in the UK - he's made a speech at an RAF base, had a sleepover at the Foreign Secretary's house and is now meeting with other prominent politicians.

Notably, the VP hasn't found the time to meet the actual leader of the opposition, Kemi Badenoch, instead choosing to see Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary who is barely hiding his desires for leadership.

Ian Dunt says that, "for perhaps the first time in his life, Vance is right about something. He has understood two deep central truths about British politics in 2025. First, that Badenoch is useless. And second, that she won’t be around for much longer. Better, then, to meet Jenrick – the figure who is much more likely to lead the Conservatives into the next election."

Moreover, Vance and Jenrick are quite similar: "They are both cast in the same mould: bland old centre-right politicians who are now prepared to engage in the most vicious rhetoric imaginable if it gets them closer to power.

Men whose ignorance is matched only by the confidence with which they express it. Heinous moral cowards whose elevated status is a signal of our societal decline."

I think Badenoch is also on holiday so maybe he just got his timings wrong 😊

No, ronib you were responding yesterday to Casdon
The response to DrWatson was later still.

Okay. I was confused by your comment. Yes that’s right.

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woodenspoon, did you read my post about Mr Vance explaining why the UK did not need to be consulted on world matters?
Also, he shared his views on how GB would " soon be the first Islamic state with nuclear capability"..( not done his homework, of course, there are already Islamic countries with nuclear capacity, but who needs facts when you can go for rhetoric?
I'm not clear which of his statements reflect a love of this country.

No I didn’t. Wasn’t interested.