Israel attack on Iran

armscontrolcenter.org/countries/israel/
Israel is not a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and has not accepted IAEA safeguards on some of its principle nuclear activities. Their policy of nuclear opacity has been generally tolerated by both allies and adversaries.
Most estimates posit that Israel possesses about 90 plutonium-based nuclear warheads and has produced enough plutonium for 100-200 weapons. These estimates have been fairly consistent for decades, which points to a nuclear posture defined by Israel’s deterrence needs. Israel appears focused strictly on survival and does not seek to threaten other nuclear-armed states.
Until now, that is. Iran must know about Israel's nuclear capacity so why would it attack when there would be retaliation in kind?

Trump has been urging Iran to make a deal for no nuclear weapons. Iran is blaming Trump for condoning the attack on Iran.
Trump has told Iran they must sign as Israel will be brutal.

Wyllow3

Iran getting nuclear weapons is a threat to many countries, it has been a concern for a long time.

What Trump does/doesnt do is key, but international concern is very long term.

Netanyahu is poking the bear, very unwise. Iran is not as isolated as we seem to be implying, not at all. Russia, some middle east countries, Syria of course, and for goodness sake, China!

Yes.

Iran is a country which many of us have feared for a long time.

There are too many madmen in charge of the world at the moment, Netanyahu being quite a minor player in fact, but an irritant in the side of other, more dangerous leaders, and it is terrifying.

“Until now, that is. Iran must know about Israel's nuclear capacity so why would it attack when there would be retaliation in kind?”

Previously they have been funding terrorist groups to attack by proxy, wanting to avoid direct confrontation, knowing that Israel could do a great deal of damage in a direct war.
Now Israel has got the terrorists under control and Iran is nearing a nuclear bomb Israel will now eliminate the threat and if its revived will attack again.
If a non aggressive government in Iran were to take power and agree not to threaten Israel the whole region could be peaceful, and Iranians much more prosperous.

Netanyahu, a minor player? Words fail.

Allsorts

Netanyahu, a minor player? Words fail.

He is compared to world leaders like Trump. Putin, Xi Jinping.
And the combined EU and UK.

Allsorts

Netanyahu, a minor player? Words fail.

Do you really think he's a major player on the world stage?

He's causing a major amount of trouble, certainly, but he is not a major leader.

I hope Iran will back down but fear that it won't. If it doesn't then hopefully a more powerful country won't come to it's aid.
That is the danger.

Israel seems to have a workable plan - if Iran doesn’t stop its nuclear program then Israel will continue to take out top military and nuclear scientists. Israeli technology and ability to get drones in to take out nuclear capability is very impressive. Why does Iran not understand this?

Although he is denying any involvement Trump has been telling Iran they can't have nuclear weapons.
I think Netanyahu has had the go ahead from the US.

Allsorts

Netanyahu, a minor player? Words fail.

Precisely Allsorts.

I don’t think the people in Gaza would regard Netanyahu as ‘a minor player’🙈

ronib

Israel seems to have a workable plan - if Iran doesn’t stop its nuclear program then Israel will continue to take out top military and nuclear scientists. Israeli technology and ability to get drones in to take out nuclear capability is very impressive. Why does Iran not understand this?

Because the leaders are religious fanatics that have the whole of Iran under their control and indoctrinated. They don’t care how many are killed as long as they hold onto power, we have seen Israel doesn’t care about civilian casualties.

This could make Gaza look like a picnic in the park.

Oreo

Claremont

I disagree with all nuclear weapons. In the 70s and 80s, I was very active in trying to explain that nuclear proliferation would be a disaster, and the MAD was just a short term fix that would break down when one or two (or more) power hungry mad men got involved. And until smaller so called 'tactical' nuclear weapons were created, as for now- which give the massively dangerous illusion that a limited, targetted, nuclear attack is survivable.

Attacking Iran is a diabolical act of aggression from Israel that puts the whole world at risk, and Israel and its inhabitants, as well as Palestine and the whole Middle-East, at massive risk. The whole world indeed. There is NO EXCUSE for this attack- the consequences of which could be diabolically dire.

Israel attacked first, with the first bombs. The rest ?????

There’s every excuse to stop Iran acquiring nuclear weapons.

Oh the hypocrisy. There's every excuse to stop Israel acquiring (well they are not supposed to, but apparently they have loads already) nuclear weapons. A country that is prepared to commit genocide and kill a whole people, children and babies, in the cruelest of ways, and take their whole land.

I'm watching the 6pm news, and feel more strongly than ever that `Netanyahu has chosen now to strike in order to distract from those starving in Gaza.

I can see no evidence from nay source whatsoever that suggests that Iran has suddenly become a threat why now rather than a year ago? In 6 months time.

Makes me think of Maggie Thatchers "rescue" by the Falklands in terms of popularity and distraction

Save those starving!!!

And as the sad subject of Gaza has been raised on this thread, does the precision/deadly accuracy, with which the Israeli forces found their targets in far off Iran, give the lie to any claims that killing medics, aid workers and journalists in Gaza is 'accidental'?

It seems clear that Trump is very much behind this- what is the deal with him ad Netanyahu?

Maremia

And as the sad subject of Gaza has been raised on this thread, does the precision/deadly accuracy, with which the Israeli forces found their targets in far off Iran, give the lie to any claims that killing medics, aid workers and journalists in Gaza is 'accidental'?

Of course it does.

Maremia

And as the sad subject of Gaza has been raised on this thread, does the precision/deadly accuracy, with which the Israeli forces found their targets in far off Iran, give the lie to any claims that killing medics, aid workers and journalists in Gaza is 'accidental'?

The defence chiefs and scientists in Iran were not deliberately hiding behind civilians as human shields, also not too much information about civilian casualties in the Iran strikes

David49

Maremia

And as the sad subject of Gaza has been raised on this thread, does the precision/deadly accuracy, with which the Israeli forces found their targets in far off Iran, give the lie to any claims that killing medics, aid workers and journalists in Gaza is 'accidental'?

The defence chiefs and scientists in Iran were not deliberately hiding behind civilians as human shields, also not too much information about civilian casualties in the Iran strikes

Misinformation, if you listen to British doctors, doctors from MSF, and watch what is happening on the ground.m

Tel Aviv currently under fire from ballistic missiles.

Exactly Maremia Israel were able to pinpoint their targets as their intelligence services are one of the best.
Begs the question of how this superb intelligence service missed the attack by Hamas in 2023.

It seems that those who are pro Palestinian on here are also pro Iran, or anyone who isn’t Israel.
Do they realise how dangerous Iran is? What a threat to the West?Do they fully understand how Iran funds and enables all the Muslim extremists, terrorists?
How terrible they are towards their own people, murdering even teenage girls who don’t cover up?
Israel has done the West a favour as well as taking care of itself.

When it comes to nuclear weapons, nobody has the moral high ground, as there is none.

Yes there is a moral high ground in terms of France having nuclear weapons or Iran having nuclear weapons.

Yes, or Israel or us or…..