About time? Could this work? Yvette Cooper thinks so.

Oh yes, it is a wonderful idea - on paper.

Denmark is one of the most digitally advanced countries in Europe and getting to this point has cost "an obscene amount of money", has included various digital systems for instance Amanda, meant to simplify job centres' lists of the unemployed receiving unemployment benefit, the unemployed who did not qualify for benefits, jobs vacant, and how many applications the unemployed sent weekly to jobs they did not get etc. etc. After a year or so of the system crashing every week or two, it was scrapped and a new one made.

After that we at four or five year intervals repeated the Amanda disaster when digitalising hospital reports, communications between state and municipalities or between either and private citizens or companies.

Then we had the reform of state funded schooling and further education, the reorganization of the state run railway company (CHAOS) and the purple hell of the reorganization of the Inland Revenue.

So hold on to your hats and glasses and enjoy the roller-coaster ride.

It will be worth it IN THE END. (We started this lark in the 1980s and are just getting out of the wood now.)

sandelf

Of course - absolute no brainer. Live in UK - Must have DNA taken and linked to Photo ID which you carry and produce. Also linked to NHS details and any other relationship with the government. Good for us and bad for criminals.

DNA? the costs would be prohibitive?

I'm with a card and Mamie has brought the idea that our unique fingerprints could be linked which reduces fraud and criminality?

AuntieE

Oh yes, it is a wonderful idea - on paper.

Denmark is one of the most digitally advanced countries in Europe and getting to this point has cost "an obscene amount of money", has included various digital systems for instance Amanda, meant to simplify job centres' lists of the unemployed receiving unemployment benefit, the unemployed who did not qualify for benefits, jobs vacant, and how many applications the unemployed sent weekly to jobs they did not get etc. etc. After a year or so of the system crashing every week or two, it was scrapped and a new one made.

After that we at four or five year intervals repeated the Amanda disaster when digitalising hospital reports, communications between state and municipalities or between either and private citizens or companies.

Then we had the reform of state funded schooling and further education, the reorganization of the state run railway company (CHAOS) and the purple hell of the reorganization of the Inland Revenue.

So hold on to your hats and glasses and enjoy the roller-coaster ride.

It will be worth it IN THE END. (We started this lark in the 1980s and are just getting out of the wood now.)

Yet Sweden manages to run ID cards successfully - so what is the problem in Denmark?

sandelf

Of course - absolute no brainer. Live in UK - Must have DNA taken and linked to Photo ID which you carry and produce. Also linked to NHS details and any other relationship with the government. Good for us and bad for criminals.

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No, taking a person's DNA and keeping it on a database is a step too far, unless a person has been convicted of a criminal offence.

Welcome back with your racist openers.

As if, an ID card will solve this almighty mess.

Those crossing the channel are refugees and asylum seekers, they are not illegal and not migrants.
The government already has access to large quantities of information, and yet nothing is joined up or used to assist citizens.
They don't take GP and medical specialist's word for it that we are ill, they don't use our National Insurance number and tax returns to automatically award benefits, including pensions.
I'm sure that many autocrats would like us all to be digitally registered, conveniently forgetting the number of times that major computer systems have malfunctioned, crashed and been hacked, or that laptops, files etc have been left on public transport by careless MPs, staff etc.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

But not for jobs in the black market. Cash in hand. No questions asked.

But your problem with this is modern slavery and human trafficking not people coming openly by boat to claim asylum.

You seem to be attached to writing specious headlines and baseless arguments.

I am open to ID in some format - it might not be a card.

Legislation was passed in 2006 and enacted under the Labour government. ID cards then started being rolled out.

The Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition in 2010 decided to scrap the scheme.

ID cards are long overdue. Other countries manage fine with them and there are many advantages in having one.

Gillycats

ID cards are long overdue. Other countries manage fine with them and there are many advantages in having one.

I don't think it's the ID card that has ever been a problem Gillycats but the government that can manipulate the data on them could be.

In these Orwellian times that is what we have to be aware of. Having seen an article in the Telegraph that tries say some people, who are white and are British are not white British, in order to prove their false conclusion I think we need to be very careful who we give power to.

Yes, all asylum seekers are given an ID card. There are reception centres that deal with this.
Every UK resident who wishes to vote has to have some kind of ID that has been linked to various proofs of ID. Anyone who has a pension or benefits is on a database, so while we do not have an ID standard system, we are all recorded somewhere, and many have already applied for an optional ID card, a proof of age card or a student ID card.

When a migrant comes here legally, they are at risk of deportation for any crime, however minor, but I am not seeing this applied. All sentences for foreign nationals should automatically include deportation.
Also the deportation process for failed asylum does not automatically include an immediate lift to detention awaiting deportation - why not?

lafergar

Welcome back with your racist openers.

As if, an ID card will solve this almighty mess.

Yvette Cooper said the Home Office was pushing for a “digital ID for everyone coming to the UK”.

Are you accusing Yvette Cooper and the Government of racism?
The Opening Post is an account of what happened in Parliament and actually mentions digital ID for all coming to the UK, not all citizens. This discussion has been extended to ID for everyone which is fair enough.

Or have I misunderstood? I apologise if so.

Definitely the way forward.

lafergar

Welcome back with your racist openers.

As if, an ID card will solve this almighty mess.

Why do you accuse people of racism when ID cards are a feature in many countries and have been for quite a long tome in many cases.
As Allira points out this present government are considering the idea.

Tome, time.