International law and Uk law, regarding people arriving on small boats

The Labour party are actively encouraging illegals, just as the previous party did. They seem to think that it will bring them more votes from the foreign nationals who are already settled here.
The native people of this country are being more and more alienated, and the government don't seem to be concerned about what this will ultimately lead to.

mum2three

How are Labour actively enouraging 'illegals'?
Can foreign nationals vote in UK general elections?

International Laws are moral obligations that are open to abuse , it is our moral obligation to rescue those in peril, when we do that they claim assylum.
Most do not admit their nationality, even if it can be proved it is not morally acceptable to return them, whether they are in danger or not.

To use the word for human beings "illegals" is offensive and has been deleted in the past by GN moderators, please note its not acceptable.

Only a small number of foreign nationals can vote, you need to check your facts mum2three before telling lies.

Citizenship in the UK is multi-cultural. There is no such thing as 'natives" - unless you believe that only white people are "real" citizens and characterise anyone else as "lesser".

Fact check needed.
www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-is-it-illegal-to-cross-the-channel-on-a-small-boat

Well, it was a nonsense law full of conflicts designed to fit in with the Rwanda policy at that time.

International Laws are moral obligations that are open to abuse

They are more than that, surely?

Though they have been flouted by Countries in the past.

fancythat

^International Laws are moral obligations that are open to abuse^

They are more than that, surely?

Though they have been flouted by Countries in the past.

There is no penalty for breaking International Law

That means we can leave people to their own devices then?

mum2three

The Labour party are actively encouraging illegals, just as the previous party did. They seem to think that it will bring them more votes from the foreign nationals who are already settled here.
The native people of this country are being more and more alienated, and the government don't seem to be concerned about what this will ultimately lead to.

For pity’s sake change the record!

Wyllow3

To use the word for human beings "illegals" is offensive and has been deleted in the past by GN moderators, please note its not acceptable.

Only a small number of foreign nationals can vote, you need to check your facts mum2three before telling lies.

Citizenship in the UK is multi-cultural. There is no such thing as 'natives" - unless you believe that only white people are "real" citizens and characterise anyone else as "lesser".

I completely agree, well said!

I think the issue is more that in order to claim asylum in any country, one has to be in said country in order to make that claim.

Before the boats, people were smuggled across in the back or underneath lorries.

Neither are safe routes and maybe people should think about how many of these people have already endured arduous and unsafe journeys to reach the channel.

There no longer appears to be legitimate safe way to get to the UK in order to claim asylum. Also it’s pretty hard to actually leave some of the countries from which these people originate, Afganistan, Syria, Iran, etc many of these countries confiscate papers and/or require permission to leave the country.

Asylum seekers make up less than 1% of our overall population.

Cossy

mum2three

The Labour party are actively encouraging illegals, just as the previous party did. They seem to think that it will bring them more votes from the foreign nationals who are already settled here.
The native people of this country are being more and more alienated, and the government don't seem to be concerned about what this will ultimately lead to.

For pity’s sake change the record!

This country is no longer the country we all grew up in, very sad for our grandchildren.

Teaxel2

What exactly to you mean?

I’m 66, my DH is 69, both of us grew up with multi cultural citizens, my DH more so as he lived in East London, as an Irish immigrants, happily alongside Jamaicans, West Indians, and many other nationalities.

I attended school with some Muslims, Indians, Jewish and Chinese, all of got on with other well.

Later in my working life I worked with many different cultures, male and female, black and white and our children all grew up with multi cultural communities.

What do you mean?

I think the issue is more that in order to claim asylum in any country, one has to be in said country in order to make that claim.

I dont think I knew that.
Virtually impossible then, in a country that is unsteady enough that it makes people want to flee.

You would have thought that that too, is not impossible for the world to sort out.

Teasel, I am pleased that the country my children grew up in was more tolerant regarding race, gender, and sexuality than the one of my childhood.
My oldest grandchild, aged eleven, is astonished and horrified to hear of my being hit in school, abuse of women condoned because " it's a domestic " homosexuality being a crime, and inter- racial marriage regarded as a problem.

We had short memories, Teasel

This country is no longer the country we all grew up in, very sad for our grandchildren

what Chocolatelovinggran said

I can remember the huge cultural changes our country one through at the end of the 1960's and through the 70's.

And some people bemoaning as loudly as they are now about the society our children were growing up in.......the fact we were slipping into absolute moral degradation as regards say sex before marriage and gay people - unmarried mothers and "bastard" children, even witty the simple rights of women to earn the same money as men for the same work...rape being allowed in marriage...

Mary Whitehouse saying "The Propaganda of Disbelief, Doubt and dirt poured into millions of homes through the television."

Correct - Even with the simple rights of women to earn the same money as men -

cossy as above is right about you having to be in the UK to clam asylum as things stand. You cant currently go to a UK embassy for example abroad - something we've discussed quite a bit (and I'd assumed it was possible) and get a visa as an asylum seeker.

googled

"If you are in danger in your country of origin or residence, and you want the UK to grant you international protection, you can claim asylum when you are in the UK. However, it is not possible to claim asylum from outside the UK, and there is no visa which allows people to enter the UK in order to claim asylum.

You'd need a lawyer I expect to answer whether the UK could decide to issue visas from embassies - but the floods of people you'd get?

Cossy

I think the issue is more that in order to claim asylum in any country, one has to be in said country in order to make that claim.

Before the boats, people were smuggled across in the back or underneath lorries.

Neither are safe routes and maybe people should think about how many of these people have already endured arduous and unsafe journeys to reach the channel.

There no longer appears to be legitimate safe way to get to the UK in order to claim asylum. Also it’s pretty hard to actually leave some of the countries from which these people originate, Afganistan, Syria, Iran, etc many of these countries confiscate papers and/or require permission to leave the country.

Asylum seekers make up less than 1% of our overall population.

Well said.

Wyllow3 - sorry, I dont understand your last 7 words?

Cossy

Teaxel2

What exactly to you mean?

I’m 66, my DH is 69, both of us grew up with multi cultural citizens, my DH more so as he lived in East London, as an Irish immigrants, happily alongside Jamaicans, West Indians, and many other nationalities.

I attended school with some Muslims, Indians, Jewish and Chinese, all of got on with other well.

Later in my working life I worked with many different cultures, male and female, black and white and our children all grew up with multi cultural communities.

What do you mean?

Gun crime, knife crime, terrorist attacks, shoplifting by gangs, just a few examples. It doesnt matter if you and others on here do not agree with me, it doesnt alter the situation one jot.

My thinking was following up the ideas, "could the UK make a law of its own deciding to set up points in embassies in other countries to issue Asylum seeker visas, as its not currently possible, but the likes of me as opposed to a lawyer couldn't know.

Wyllow3
It’s a very good idea but practicalities would stop the application at the first hurdle.
Let’s take Afghanistan as an example ( one of the top countries trying to enter the uk by boat)
90% of births aren’t registered. If you can’t prove who you are in your own country, what hope is there.
Syria is another country near the top of the list.
Sporadic and restricted internet connection.