Still told to 'get over it, it's done.

A situation which makes it even more frustrating and inexplicable when the Labour leadership resolutely rejects any proposition from the EU which would bring the UK closer.

Ah. Would that be ‘getting over it’? Or ignoring ’the will of the people’?

Would it ‘bring the country to its knees’, or ‘push the economy off a cliff’?

Is it ‘common sense’? Or ‘flying in the face of democracy’?

Does anyone know anything anymore?

Well if we have to get over Brexit, then clearly people have to get over constantly complaining about the Labour government. I look forward to that.

nanna8

The gift that keeps on giving. Nigel Farage must be over the moon and getting ready to form the next government and who can blame him?

If an increasing majority of the population think Brexit was a mistake, why on earth would they vote for Farage?

nanna8

The gift that keeps on giving. Nigel Farage must be over the moon and getting ready to form the next government and who can blame him?

I hope for his sake that he isn't getting ready to form the next government. On second thoughts, I couldn't care less about him, but anybody who is daft enough to think that he will, needs to give his/her head a wobble. I think you have a slightly distorted view of the UK.

Mamie

nanna8

The gift that keeps on giving. Nigel Farage must be over the moon and getting ready to form the next government and who can blame him?

If an increasing majority of the population think Brexit was a mistake, why on earth would they vote for Farage?

My guess is that Reform's vote share will peak, possible at about 25%. That won't be enough to have an overall majority. However, with the UK's voting system - and depending how clever Reform is about concentrating its efforts - it could result in more MPs than it has now. You only have to look at the LibDems to see how, historically, their vote share has very little correlation with the actual number of MPs. That's because the LDs are canny about which seats they target.

Even if a 75% majority of the voters think Brexit was a mistake, their support in a general election will be divided between a number of political parties. Moreover, the way they actually vote will be influenced by other factors other than Brexit. Reform has an advantage in any vote about Brexit because it doesn't really have many serious policies other than anti-EU and anti-immigrant.

We know that the courts upheld the allegation of fraud, corruption, overspend and other stuff by the vote leave group. But because it was merely an advisory vote they were never prosecuted.

So I’m not convinced that it can be called a democratic vote.

No matter how anyone feels about Brexit we have to accept the democratic vote and move with it.
For such an important referendum, it was poorly managed. I never felt I had the full facts, the pros and cons, an unbiased review, of Remain or Leave prior to voting.
Boris and Cameron treated it as a game of one-upmanship instead of a vitally important campaign for our country's future.
I would try not to get stressed over something you can do nothing about. We are the mercy of politicians each and every day.

I don't get stressed about it, even though I think it was an act of self-harm on a national scale. Nevertheless, I'm glad to see that Starmer is to join an EU leaders' meeting because I do think the UK needs to have better relationships with the EU on issues such as defence, crime and trade. Without rejoining the EU, we need to pick up some of the baby which was thrown out with the bathwater.

We should use your last sentence as the Gransnet political threads mantra Sarnia.

And if we had stayed in what might we be saying now?
The pressures of Covid, the Ukraine war and Trump have impacted the EU countries badly too.
There comes a point when you do have to say it is what it is and move forward which is what the government is doing.

And that's a cliche I hate. It is what it appears to be, or it is what is presented to us by MSM, or it is what it is but will be different tomorrow.
It is what it is but would look changed in a brighter light.
Excuse my ramblings.
What is truth ? Said Pilate.

loopyloo

And if we had stayed in what might we be saying now?
The pressures of Covid, the Ukraine war and Trump have impacted the EU countries badly too.
There comes a point when you do have to say it is what it is and move forward which is what the government is doing.

Hopefully it's moving forward to re-establish some of the links it lost with the EU.

That's what I'm hoping for growstuff.

And rather than a third runway at Heathrow could we expand and improve Dover and start using ships powered by wind and sun to move more freight that way. Also Harwich and Southampton.
Will email Ed Millibamd
I might email Ed Milliband.

Well Mr Farage has plenty of time to plan his redecoration of No 10, nanna8, however deluded such a concept that might be, because he's not been seen much in his constituency, I understand. He seems to lack enthusiasm for working at his job, which was a feature of his years as an MEP.
Of course, I could be wrong . Do we have any GNetters who could update us?

growstuff

loopyloo

And if we had stayed in what might we be saying now?
The pressures of Covid, the Ukraine war and Trump have impacted the EU countries badly too.
There comes a point when you do have to say it is what it is and move forward which is what the government is doing.

Hopefully it's moving forward to re-establish some of the links it lost with the EU.

That’s my hope, too. It’s just so frustrating when they so ostentatiously rule out EU overtures.

What is the point of that, except to appear to be pandering to a group of voters which now seems to barely exist? Or to whom leaving the EU has made minimal difference to their lives? (Because if it had made a difference they would be able to tell us all the good it has done. But they can’t.)

Chocolatelovinggran

Well Mr Farage has plenty of time to plan his redecoration of No 10, nanna8, however deluded such a concept that might be, because he's not been seen much in his constituency, I understand. He seems to lack enthusiasm for working at his job, which was a feature of his years as an MEP.
Of course, I could be wrong . Do we have any GNetters who could update us?

Don't be mean! How is he supposed to fit in visits to Clacton when he's so busy flying over the Atlantic?

It’s far too dangerous for him to visit Clacton, isn’t it?

That’s the story I heard when his non appearance as a constituency MP was remarked on last autumn.

I believe in free speech and so maintain my stand of blaming brexit for most of the woes this country is facing and about which people complain about here on a daily basis.

It was a car crash and no one has cleared the wreck away yet. I see the wreck everywhere and can not shift it myself, but I do have the right to say that I wish someone would!

What many people don't seem to realise is that brexit has hardly begun. We are still paying into the EU as our fee for leaving- we still get some EU funding for long-term projects that aren't yet completed. It remains a system of exchange that hasn't yet discarded the deals made.

We need to get back into the customs union first of all- but all those negotiations will take time, money and the motivation this government seems to lack.

Meanwhile the wreckage corrodes and becomes more unsightly every day- eventually it will be covered in weeds and the archeologists will come across it in a few hundred years and say, 'whatever were they playing at?'

This what the local paper has to say:

www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-donald-trump-clacton-9696704

Maybe Trump will turn Clacton Pier into a duplicate Mar-a-Lago?

I don’t think teetotal Trump will be having any boozing sessions with our MP for Clacton in the foreseeable future 😂

RosieandherMaw

Because bleating about it is neither constructive nor helpful?

Who's bleating - apart from the Brexit absolutists? Everyone else has recognised the harm that's come from it and is trying to maximise the benefits. In contrast, Brexit extremists are beginning to look like dinosaurs.

There are small pockets of these absolutists in every community, but they are far from being a majority nowadays. Previous majorities, however, eventually count for nothing.

As Eugene V. Debs once said, 'When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong.' This quote seems particularly apt in the context of Brexit, where the majority's views are no longer dominant.

I know that google is my friend, but who on earth is Eugene V Dobbs 🤔

DEBS ! 😱

What others say.

But if people want to wallow, that is their perogative.