Should the President of the Spanish FA resign

His mother has gone on hunger strikr in a church in protest at his 'inhumane treatment'.

You couldn't make it up, could you?

I’ve watched the “kiss” many times and the hugs and kisses the other players receive, the star of the team got a special kiss on the lips. There was no reaction to that “invasion of intimacy” she proceeded with a smile to kiss the trophy.

There is no doubt it shouldn’t have happened but now it’s not realistic that he continues in his post and should either resign or be sacked quickly

M0nica

His mother has gone on hunger strikr in a church in protest at his 'inhumane treatment'.

You couldn't make it up, could you?

It does explain his behaviour though as his mother obviously believes her darling boy can do no wrong.

At least there'll be some communion wafers to munch on if she starts to feel faint from hunger.

I’ve just looked at the footage, and to me it looked like she did sort of lean towards him, she certainly didn’t appear uncomfortable with him holding her face. I also saw that she was first to pat him on the back, and he reciprocated, patting her just around the waist.
Of course he may be ‘sleazy’, and maybe many women would be traumatised and upset by his actions, but I think all this talk of ‘sexual assault’ is a bit of an over reaction.

I don't follow football and caught up with the story a bit late. Having watched it several times I do think it was inappropriate.
Perhaps a code of conduct needs to be laid down for men's interactions with women to whom they are not married or related by blood family, as it was in the past. I would not feel comfortable either for myself or any of my daughters to be kissed and hugged that intimately no matter the occasion.
Perhaps a notice at the start of the line stating that a simple handshake is sufficient. Anything else must be agreed in advance.
As the Suffragettes would say, 'I can't believe we are still arguing this shit'.

Daddima This is the question brought up in so many rape trials to justify non-consensual rape.

It is stated that the woman acted in the shock of the moment as if they were compliant with the“invasion of intimacy” . Women often do not want to make a fuss so do or say nothing to object to the behaviour at the time. It is quite possible that when this oaf grabbed her she lent forward, but in the joy of wining the world cup and celebrating witht he team, she preferred in the moment to downplay the incident at the time it occurred while being deeply angered and disgyusted by what happened.

and to me it looked like she did sort of lean towards him
She may have expected a peck on the cheek, or both, not the more intimate kiss on the mouth. Eeurgh!

Yes, DH and I said today, when it was on the news again, overshadowing their win, what is wrong with handshakes?

He is certainly stubborn.

Latest is a video he has of Hermosa laughing and showing off the video and because she took 3 days to complain that shows he is not guilty!!

Daddima

I’ve just looked at the footage, and to me it looked like she did sort of lean towards him, she certainly didn’t appear uncomfortable with him holding her face. I also saw that she was first to pat him on the back, and he reciprocated, patting her just around the waist.
Of course he may be ‘sleazy’, and maybe many women would be traumatised and upset by his actions, but I think all this talk of ‘sexual assault’ is a bit of an over reaction.

I’ve just looked at the footage, and to me it looked like she did sort of lean towards him, she certainly didn’t appear uncomfortable with him holding her face. I also saw that she was first to pat him on the back, and he reciprocated, patting her just around the waist.

I was discussing this aspect with my son to get a another 'male perspective'. His view - and I think quite a few people on here might recognise this 'syndrome' (for want of a better word) is that, when something happens to you - an act or even something that is said which makes you feel aggrieved, it takes time to process it. You go away and think over what's happened - in other words (his) you brood over it, dwell on it. Because, in real life, very few people react instinctively in the way you are implying they should - unless they've been violently assaulted.

If he'd done this to her furtively, somewhere where no-one could watch, she might well have pushed him away, but he took the liberty of doing it in full view of millions of people which gives a mixed signal - and she appeared to be going along with it - on the spur of the moment, how the heck do you deal with something like that when the eyes of a huge part of the world are on you? It's only on reflection that you realise that it was, in fact, a bloody liberty.

I hope young women take this on board - the reaction of those who always look for the angle of blaming the victim when self-entitled men decide to touch them without their consent. I'd love to see a sea-change - where women react according to their female instinct and make it plain that they don't like being man-handled. Of course, they will still be accused of over-reacting, but at least no-one can query that they were complicit in their assault.

Thing is, women can't win. They will be damned if they do and equally damned if they don't.

I think it would take a particular type of person to push someone off in those circumstances. We all react differently to that kind of thing, and lots of research shows it is beyond our control. I know I wouldnt have pushed him off but I would have been deeply uncomfortable.

Callistemon21

M0nica

His mother has gone on hunger strikr in a church in protest at his 'inhumane treatment'.

You couldn't make it up, could you?

It does explain his behaviour though as his mother obviously believes her darling boy can do no wrong.

At least there'll be some communion wafers to munch on if she starts to feel faint from hunger.

You've a great sense of humour Callistemon.

nadateturbe

Callistemon21

M0nica

His mother has gone on hunger strikr in a church in protest at his 'inhumane treatment'.

You couldn't make it up, could you?

It does explain his behaviour though as his mother obviously believes her darling boy can do no wrong.

At least there'll be some communion wafers to munch on if she starts to feel faint from hunger.

You've a great sense of humour Callistemon.

I should worry about her really, but I can't naturbedate

I thought it was hilarious but just googled and she was taken to hospital yesterday.

Some muvvers eh .? Hope she’s ok of course.

I watched the video, too much celebration , laughter to have time to process anything

nadateturbe

I thought it was hilarious but just googled and she was taken to hospital yesterday.

😲

Oh dear.
Silly woman.

If my precious boy did that then I'd tell him off, but then he wouldn't as he has more respect for women.

I note in the news this morning that he has now resigned.

He'd lost irretrievable support from both official bodies and numbers of players.

I don't need to get wound up about what happens in other countries. That's a matter for the Spanish in this case.

Grantanow, of course, the legalities are a matter for Spain. The social issues affect women generally

For the future of women's football world wide, it is important. Attitudes and assumptions about what is Ok matter a great deal.